Re: [Emacspeak] "Autospeak" spoken before eve ry mode line – is this a bug?

["T.V Raman" <raman@xxxxxxxxxx>]

This is one of the darker corners of Emacs, more so because by Emacs
time-frames, custom is relatively new -- has been around half as long
as Emacs.

1. See the runq script in the emacspeak top-level directory.
2. Learn about option --debug-on-init

   

Parham Doustdar writes:
 > Hi T. V. and Tim,
 > Thanks a lot for the tips, I'll definitely use these.
 > How can I check where variables are being set during Emacspeak start-up, without losing speech? One of the issues that made me stuck was that using debug-watch in my init file meant I didn't have speech to read the debugger output.
 > Thanks!
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 > > On Jan 13, 2024, at 03:58, T.V Raman <raman@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 > > 
 > > 
 > > and never forget M-. for cross-references. You can start with grep,
 > > but grep lie any search will land you in the middle of things; but to
 > > undrstand something --- anything? --- starting at the beginning is a
 > > better idea.
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > Tim Cross writes:
 > >> 
 > >> Just wanted to re-iterate Raman's suggestion, especially reading
 > >> emaspeak sources.
 > >> 
 > >> I would also add that experimenting using both the scratch buffer and
 > >> ielm mode are extremely useful. As you read through the code, when you
 > >> come across code or documentation explanations you are having trouble
 > >> grasping, experimenting inside the ielm repl or the scratch buffer can
 > >> be extremely enlightening. In fact, I often find a few minutes playhing
 > >> with a command or function and/or setting different variable values in
 > >> ielm or the scratch buffer is far more productive than lots of google
 > >> searching. Problem with google is it cannot tell you which results are
 > >> bad advice or just plain wrong. In recent times, I find the rapid
 > >> increase in 'noise' has drastically reduced the reliability of google
 > >> results.
 > >> 
 > >> 
 > >> 
 > >> 
 > >> "\"T.V Raman\"" (via emacspeak Mailing List) <emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
 > >> 
 > >>> Ack. The best resource I can point  you at are:
 > >>> 
 > >>> 1. Emacspeak sources and docs,
 > >>> 2. Emacs docs
 > >>> 
 > >>> 
 > >>> 
 > >>> Parham Doustdar writes:
 > >>>> Hi Raman,
 > >>>> Thanks for the explanation and the changes.
 > >>>> You made me realise that I have no clue what goes on in the Makefile. I’ll learn from
 > >>>> the syntax and look deeper into that, thanks.
 > >>>> I also wanted to reassure you that I know everyone is busy, and sending an email is not
 > >>>> my first reaction to encountering an issue. That is what I hope to illustrate by always
 > >>>> including the steps that I took to debug or resolve it. When I send an email asking
 > >>>> something, it’s because either (1) I wonder if I’m understanding the intention
 > >>>> correctly or (2) my skills and Google haven’t turned up a solution, likely because I’m
 > >>>> encountering an “unknown unknown”.
 > >>>> I’m always very open to learning, so if you or anyone else on the list has concrete
 > >>>> steps I could take, or resources I could learn from, feel free to share – I commit to
 > >>>> taking action on getting better at solving my own problems.
 > >>>> Thanks.
 > >>>> 
 > >>>>> On 11 Jan 2024, at 18:26, T.V Raman <raman@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 > >>>>> 
 > >>>>> I've changed the  default to nil, had it set to nil in my .custom file
 > >>>>> which was shadowing the default.
 > >>>>> 
 > >>>>> 1. defcustom declares the variable with its default
 > >>>>> 2. make config puts the default into loaddefs.el
 > >>>>> 3. Before jumping off to send email, take some time to understand
 > >>>>>  things, experiment etc.
 > >>>>> 4. Just sending me email will likely mean I'll stop responding since
 > >>>>>  like you I too am busy.
 > >>>>> 5.
 > >>>>> --
 > > 
 > > --

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