Re: [Emacspeak] Swiftmac 2: pre-PR request for testers

["T.V Raman" <raman@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Also,

1. Always keep the twaine -- what you want to implement, and how the
   "average" user sets it up separate.
2. Barring that ie if you only implement what "works out of the box"
   on every machine, then you limit yourself to what the vendor
   decided you should have.
3. Worse, it kills all innovation.
4. For the user who wishes do no extra work, there is what they got
   when they wrote that nice large check.
5. Said differently, luser environments already exist for lusers,
   focus on innovation first.
6. If that innovation works and is useful, then one can figure out how
   to bring that to the unwashed masses!
   
T.V Raman writes:
 > Yes, virtual devices is how this works on Linux, see the pipewire
 > setup in the Emacspeak codebase where I have a 7.1 device which is
 > what I use for playing music etc.
 > 
 > The asoundrc in  the emacspeak codebase has many examples.
 > 
 > I suspect zeroing out one channel is failing because you might be
 > actually ruining the audio format headers, On linux you're say it was
 > "raw data" and explicity specify all the details of how to interpret
 > the data, see servers/piper/pipspeak  -- which may be interesting to
 > you in its own right, see lisp/pip.el
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Robert Melton writes:
 >  > Raman--
 >  > 
 >  > Yeah, I chased my tail for a bit today trying to get the PCM buffer to zero out 
 >  > half of it, seems like legit OS bug in MacOS, reaching out for more help, but 
 >  > I have it reduced to a minimal example and still no luck. To double my 
 >  > annoyance it works fine in the old version (NSS variant) which will be removed
 >  > in MacOS 15. MacOS is a second class citizen in AVFoundation support.
 >  > 
 >  > That said, I might have found a solution, it would require a little setup by the 
 >  > user but you can create new composite device on MacOS and you can 
 >  > reduce the volume to 0 on the right or left channel. Trying to see if I can do 
 >  > this setup programmatically and confirm I can target that device for output, but 
 >  > it is at least a path (got the idea from the emacspeaks code). 
 >  > 
 >  > But enough zero progress for tonight, more zero progress tomorrow! 
 >  > 
 >  > > On Mar 26, 2024, at 22:00, T.V Raman <raman@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 >  > > 
 >  > > "Robert Melton" (via emacspeak Mailing List) <emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 >  > > writes:
 >  > > 
 >  > > 
 >  > > One possible thing to try:
 >  > > 
 >  > > if you can get your hands one the wave buffer from TTS, then it might be
 >  > > something as simple as zeroing out the buffers for  one channel, ie
 >  > > alternate  frames in the audio data > Raman--
 >  > >> 
 >  > >> Correct, sadly I have been unable to find a solution for the channel targeting 
 >  > >> that doesn't follow the path TTS -> wav file -> process channels -> play wav. 
 >  > >> 
 >  > >> Frustrating, on iOS and even watchOS there are solutions to do exactly this, 
 >  > >> I am still digging around for a way to do this that isn't completely gross. 
 >  > >> 
 >  > >>> On Mar 26, 2024, at 10:19, T.V Raman <raman@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 >  > >>> 
 >  > >>> I see you didn't mention multiple TTS streams, Mac users will continue
 >  > >>> to miss functionality that you get through async notifications 
 >  > >>> --
 >  > >> 
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