Bug in emacspeak?

["T. V. Raman" <raman@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Here is what happens:

If there are no alphanumeric chars, it gets caught by the code in
emacspeak-speak-line which matches various "decoration" rules. If
you stick an alphanumeric in there, those patterns wont match,
the text will make it to through to the speech server, and the
processing defined in the server -- cleanup + tts processing
happens. 

I suppose it might make sense to make the decoration rule
patterns smarter, but that will come at a cost, since those are
regexps that are getting checked all the time, so keeping it
simple, where it works in the majority of cases is the right
thing from the big picture point of view.Tim> T. V. Raman writes:
    >> 
    >> I copied your lines of code into a foo.rb file so that it
    >> was in ruby mode, and yes, the third line of special chars
    >> is not spoken with punctuations set to some.
    >> 
    >> On the Dectalk Express it does produce a tone; I need to
    >> verify if/whether it produces a tone on the Viavoice.
    >> 
    >> Personally I dont think this is a bug --- which chars did
    >> you expect to be spoken out of the line:
    >> "#{$`}<<#{$&}>>#{$'}"
    Tim> 
    Tim> The reason I thought it may be a bug is because the
    Tim> behavior is inconsistent. If you add a alphanumeric
    Tim> character to that line, the dollar characters are spoken
    Tim> as well as the alphanumeric character.  Without the
    Tim> alphanumeric character nothing is spoken. I would have
    Tim> assumed that with punctuation set to some, the same
    Tim> punctuation characters should be spoken regardless of
    Tim> whether therre is an alphanumeric character as well.
    Tim> 
    >> 
 > Note that punctuation some in TTS is purely to preserve
 > intonation structure, and is not necessarily very clever about
 > selectively speaking subsets of chars out of a string like
 > above. 
 > 
 > But the bigger question: why would you program with punctuations
 > set to some? Anyone who does that will surely get what they deserve:-)
 >

Actually, this occured while reading a web page about ruby i.e. I was
not programming, but surfing the web. 

Tim

 
 > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
 >     Tim> Dear all,
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> for a while, I've observed occasions when emacspeak
 >     Tim> refuses to speak a line which contains punctuation
 >     Tim> characters, but no alphanumberic characters even when
 >     Tim> punctuation mode is set to none.. I've not looked into
 >     Tim> this at all, but wanted to see if anyone else
 >     Tim> experiences similar behavior. I suspect its possibly a
 >     Tim> bug in the cleanup patterns used in the tcl script, but
 >     Tim> this is just a wild arse guess. I'm wondering if users
 >     Tim> with other synthesises experience the same problem (I'm
 >     Tim> using ViaVoice). this may help me track down what the
 >     Tim> error is due to.
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> Below is an example using a piece of ruby code. In this
 >     Tim> example, the 3rd line is not spoken unless punctuation
 >     Tim> is set to all. However, I think it should still speak
 >     Tim> some of the characters if punctuation is set to some,
 >     Tim> but this doesn't happen unless you also add some
 >     Tim> non-punctuation characters.
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> def showRE(a,re) if a =~ re "#{$`}<<#{$&}>>#{$'}" else
 >     Tim> "no match" end end
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> The reason I suspect this is a bug rather than a feature
 >     Tim> is because its behavior is inconsistent. For example, if
 >     Tim> you add an alphernumeric character to the end of the
 >     Tim> line - for example 'f', then the line is spoken with all
 >     Tim> the $ characters and the f. Once you remove the f,
 >     Tim> nothing is spoken, but I would have expected the dollar
 >     Tim> signs should still have been spoken (this is with
 >     Tim> punctuation set to some). I've also noticed that if you
 >     Tim> get this page spoken using page up and then page down,
 >     Tim> the dollar signs do get spoken, but if you move through
 >     Tim> the page using the down arrow or C-n, the line is
 >     Tim> blank. You also don't hear the indent spoken.
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> I'm hoping someone using a different synthesizer which
 >     Tim> uses a tcl script does not observe this inconsistency as
 >     Tim> this will give me something to compare and assist in
 >     Tim> debugging these reasonably complex regular expressions.
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> -- Tim Cross tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx
 >     Tim> 
 >     Tim> There are two types of people in IT - those who do not
 >     Tim> manage what they understand and those who do not
 >     Tim> understand what they manage.
 >     Tim> 
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 > --raman
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Tim Cross
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