RE: unicode editing

["John Morgan" <surubi@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Tim,
I'm considering going to emacs23.  Can I use apt-get to install the debian
package from the unstable archives on ubuntu?
 There's something wrong with my emacs.  I also can't use the  registers to
store text using c-x r s and c-x r i.
Just to make sure it's not an emacspeak bug, can you verify that you can
read a multibyte character with c-e c.
Thanks,
John


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Cross [mailto:tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:52 PM
To: John Morgan
Cc: Robert D. Crawford; emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: unicode editing


Hi John,

check the emacspeak mail list archives. Raman posted a message quite
recently regarding changes in the latest version of emacspeak and the
handling of unicode. It includes details of the unicode.txt file and how to
set it up. I suspect the site you have found has information that is a
little outdated. 

The other thing to consider is upgrading to emacs 23. A lot of work has been
done since emacs 22 to improve how emacs deals with multibyte
characters/unicode. You will likely get the best results if you run emacs
23 and a recent version of emacspeak. Emacspeak has been updated to work
best with emacs 23.

Debian has an emacs23 package in the unstable archives. For ubuntu, there is
a PP	A for emacs23 and it will likely be included in the new version
(scheduled for release this month). You can also build from CVS sources, but
you need to make some modifications if you want to also use debian/ubuntu
elisp packages. 

Tim

John Morgan writes:
 > I found a site that says to add these lines to my .emacs  > '; set
unicode data file location. (used by what-cursor-position)  > (let ((x
"~/Documents/emacs/UnicodeData.txt"))
 >   (when (file-exists-p x)
 >     (setq describe-char-unicodedata-file x)))
 >
 > I'm still getting an emacspeak-speak-char-name error that refers to
ucs-names.
 > symbol's function definition is void: ucs-names  > and emacspeak is
silent when I type c-e c or c-f or c-b or m-f or m-b.
 >
 > J
 > On 10/15/09, John Morgan <johnjosephmorgan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 > > The variable default-enable-multibyte-characters was the problem.  I  >
> just deleted the line where I had set it to t in my .emacs file and  > >
I'm back to the behavior I had previously.
 > >
 > > This behavior is not ideal.  The multibyte characters get read as hex
> > values when I move up or down lines with c-n or c-p, but not with  m-f
> > or m-b or c-f or c-b.  I was hoping this would have been improved in  >
> the latest version of emacspeak.
 > > Should I set the describe-char-unicodedata-file variable?
 > > John
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > On 10/15/09, John Morgan <johnjosephmorgan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 > >> Robert,
 > >> I've inserted the utf-8 related variables in my .emacs file and I  >
>> still have the problem.  I wonder if it's an espeak problem?
 > >> The weird thing is that I can't delete the multibyte characters, it's
> >> a nightmare, they're indestructible.
 > >> I don't think espeak would cause this behavior.
 > >> I'm running version 22 of emacs.
 > >> John
 > >> On 10/15/09, John Morgan <johnjosephmorgan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 > >>> Thanks Robert, I'm working with the .emacs settings you posted, I  >
>>> don't have the problem fixed yet.  I'm not using the start up script,  >
>>> I have a line  > >>> exec emacs -q -l
/home/john/emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el -l  > >>> /home/john/.emacs  >
>>> in a shell script and I invoke it after loging in.
 > >>>
 > >>> Can you read multibyte characters with emacspeak and espeak?
 > >>> For example, if you type m-x ucs-insert and enter the hex value 622,
> >>> does emacspeak read the character to you?
 > >>>
 > >>> I had set default-enable-multibyte-characters to t.
 > >>> John
 > >>>
 > >>>
 > >>> On 10/15/09, Robert D. Crawford <robdcraw@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 > >>>> John Morgan <johnjosephmorgan@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
 > >>>>
 > >>>>> I recently upgraded my emacspeak to version 30 and I'm having
problems  > >>>>> editing files containing characters encoded in multibyte
utf8.  I use  > >>>>> espeak.  When I move over multibyte characters
emacspeak is silent.
 > >>>>> When I move to a line containing even one multibyte utf8 encoded  >
>>>>> character I get no speech for the entire line.  I also can't remove  >
>>>>> the offending characters in an emacs buffer.  I guess this means  >
>>>>> problems with my emacs, but I only noticed the problem after upgrading
> >>>>> emacspeak.  I don't notice any problems with 7-bit encoded
characters.
 > >>>>>  Do I have to set a variable in my .emacs to enable editing
multibyte  > >>>>> text?
 > >>>>
 > >>>> I'm not sure this will help, but what is the value of  > >>>>
default-enable-multibyte-characters?
 > >>>>
 > >>>> Also, you don't mention how you start emacspeak, but it used to be
that  > >>>> the emacspeak script, which some people used to start emacs and
> >>>> emacspeak, contained the environment variable EMACS_UNIBYTE=1.  This
> >>>> might not be the case anymore.  I've not upgraded in a while so I  >
>>>> cannot  > >>>> be sure.
 > >>>>
 > >>>> Here are the other settings I have in my .emacs file that pertain to
> >>>> utf-8:
 > >>>>
 > >>>> (setq locale-coding-system 'utf-8)  > >>>>
(set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)  > >>>> (set-keyboard-coding-system
'utf-8)  > >>>> (set-selection-coding-system 'utf-8)  > >>>>
(prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)  > >>>>  > >>>> Set via Customize:
 > >>>>
 > >>>>  '(current-language-environment "UTF-8")  > >>>>  > >>>> Even if
this does not fix the problem, perhaps it leads you in the  > >>>> right  >
>>>> direction.
 > >>>>
 > >>>> rdc
 > >>>> --
 > >>>> Robert D. Crawford
 > >>>> robdcraw@xxxxxxxxxxx
 > >>>>
 > >>>> Virtue is a relative term.
 > >>>> 		-- Spock, "Friday's Child", stardate 3499.1
 > >>>>
 > >>>>
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 > >>> Regards,
 > >>> John J Morgan
 > >>>
 > >>
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 > >> --
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 > >> John J Morgan
 > >>
 > >
 > >
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 > > John J Morgan
 > >
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 >
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 > John J Morgan
 >
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