I have two things I still need to investigate:When I start Emacs on the desktop, it's as if Orca isn't running in my Emacs session. I can still hear Orca events from other applications, but I don't hear Orca echo anything I'm doing in Emacs. If I start emacsclient on the desktop, Orca and Emacsclient seem like they're both still running. As I arrow up and down, I hear both Orca and Emacspeak read the new line to me. This reminds me of JAWS where I could put it to sleep when a particular application was in the foreground. I'd like Emacsclient on the desktop to behave the same way Emacs does. Like I said, I still need to look into this, and it's probably an Orca thing and not an Emacspeak thing. This may also be what Bill reported earlier in this thread.
Second, when I start Emacs on the desktop, copying and pasting between Emacs and other desktop applications just works. When I start Emacs as a daemon, I can't seem to get this to work. I've googled around for some answers, and I've tried a few things, but I haven't come up with the right incantation yet.
Thanks for the help and the pointers so far. On 04/15/2013 10:04 PM, Tim Cross wrote:
I don't use the emacspeak shell script to start emacs. What I do is
have the following in my .emacs startup file
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d")
(require 'tx-emacspeak)
and then, in my .emacs.d directory, I have the file tx-emacspeak.el,
which has the following
(add-to-list 'Info-default-directory-list
"/home/tcross/git/emacspeak/trunk/info")
(when (and (not noninteractive)
(not (featurep 'emacspeak))
(getenv "RUN_EMACSPEAK"))
(let ((src-path "/home/tcross/git/emacspeak/trunk/"))
(add-to-list 'load-path src-path)
(setenv "EMACSPEAK_DIR" src-path)
(setq emacspeak-aumix-multichannel-capable-p nil)
(setq tts-default-speech-rate 90)
(setq outloud-default-speech-rate 90)
(setq emacspeak-vm-use-raman-settings nil)
(add-hook 'emacspeak-startup-hook
(lambda ()
(dtk-set-rate tts-default-speech-rate 1)
(dtk-interp-sync)
(emacspeak-sounds-select-theme "chimes-stereo/")
(emacspeak-toggle-auditory-icons t)))
(load-file (concat src-path "/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el"))))
(provide 'tx-emacspeak)
Note that I have an exported shell variable called RUN_EMACSPEAK in my
.profile. If this is set, then emacspeak will startup when I start
emacs. Otherwise emacspeak is not loaded. My actual setup is a little
bit more complex because I sometimes run speechd instead of emacspeak.
Note also that I don't install emacspeak in
/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp as is normally the case when you run
make install. In fact, I don't run make install at all. I just keep
emacspeak in a directory (in my case /home/tcross/git/emacspeak/trunk)
and run it from out of there. I use git-svn to interface to the svn
repo on google.
I can then just run emacs or emacs --daemon etc.
Also, note that you can start the emacs server even after running
emacs by using the M-x server-start. Possibly a good way to try out
using emacsclient and chekcing you have things setup before making the
final switch.
Tim
Christopher Chaltain writes:
> Wow and thanks for the great advice.
>
> Right now, I start Emacs with /usr/bin/emacspeak, so starting emacs
> --daemon and running emacsclient doesn't give me Emacspeak. I'm looking
> around, but I"m wondering how others start Emacspeak. Is it just a
> matter of copying the right variables from /usr/bin/emacspeak into my
> .bashrc file and making sure emacspeak-setup.el is loaded from my .emacs
> file or is there more or less to it than that?
>
> On 04/15/2013 09:30 PM, Tim Cross wrote:
> >
> > Oh I like that - I've always just used tramp to access sudo
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > T. V. Raman writes:
> > >
> > > And I also have the following for editing files as root:
> > > alias V='SUDO_EDITOR="emacsclient -c -a emacs" sudoedit'
> > >
> > > V <filename> at an emacs shell will pop up the edit buffer with
> > > the file opened as root
> > > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > > Tim> Just support Raman's point here. You can even have emacs
> > > Tim> start in daemon mode as part of your login process and
> > > Tim> then just use emacsclient whenever you want to use emacs
> > > Tim> - either from within X or from the console.
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> I also have the following in my profile
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> EDITOR='emacsclient -c ' export EDITOR
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> VISUAL='emacsclient -c' export VISUAL
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> TEXEDIT='emacsclient -c +%d +%s' export TEXEDIT
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> ALTERNATE_EDITOR='' export ALTERNATE_EDITOR
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> The last one is quite important. If you have
> > > Tim> alternate_editor set to '' i.e. null, then if you run
> > > Tim> emacsclient and there is no emacs daemon running, one
> > > Tim> will be automatically started for you. The other three
> > > Tim> are nice to ensure programs which use an editor default
> > > Tim> to using emacs via emacsclient.
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> Tim
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> T. V. Raman writes:
> > > >> If you're running both on the text console and the X
> > > >> desktop, then make sure you dont run two emacs sessions;
> > > >> instead, start emacs as a daemon -- do emacs --daemon and
> > > >> then start emacsclient where you want emacs. This means
> > > >> you'll be able to share all of your context between the
> > > >> graphical desktop and the text console. >>>>>
> > > >> "Christopher" == Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> writes:
> > > Christopher> I use this work around when using Speakup in a
> > > Christopher> console, but actually, I've been running Emacs
> > > Christopher> more and more on the desktop. I like the
> > > Christopher> integration between the clipboard and kill
> > > Christopher> ring. BTW, is there a way to easily copy thing
> > > Christopher> between Emacs running in a console and an
> > > Christopher> application on the desktop?
> > > Christopher>
> > > Christopher> On 04/15/2013 08:37 AM, Josà Vilmar EstÃcio de
> > > Christopher> Souza wrote:
> > > >> >> At least for me the solution is login in the console
> > > >> using >> a login different than the login used in X.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> After that you can 'su' to your X login if desired.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On 04/15/2013 10:12 AM, Bill Dengler(Ubuntu) wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Hello, I have run into a slight problem. Here's what
> > > >> >>> happens : I log into my Ubuntu box I press ctrl+alt+f1
> > > >> I >>> enter my username and press enter I enter my
> > > >> password and >>> press enter I type emacspeak -e and press
> > > >> enter I use >>> emacs for a while, then either close it or
> > > >> go back to X >>> with CTRL+ALT+F7 I lose speech in X What
> > > >> appears to be >>> happening is that processes are locking
> > > >> the pulseaudio >>> server in a way that no other processes
> > > >> can use it. Do >>> you know how to fix this? Or am I
> > > >> better off continuing >>> to run emacs from inside X?
> > > >> >>>
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> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> >>>
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> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
> > > Christopher>
> > > Christopher> -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail
> > > Christopher>
> > > Christopher> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Best Regards, --raman
> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> -- Tim Cross IT Security Manager Information Technology
> > > Tim> University of New England Phone: +61 2 6773 3210 Mobile:
> > > Tim> 0428 212217 E-Mail: tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx Web:
> > > Tim> http://www.une.edu.au/itd --- Please avoid sending me
> > > Tim> Word or PowerPoint attachments. See
> > > Tim> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim> Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more
> > > Tim> violent. It takes a touch of genius (and a lot of
> > > Tim> courage) to move in the opposite direction. âAlbert
> > > Tim> Einstein
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim>
> > > Tim>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards,
> > > --raman
> >
>
> --
> Christopher (CJ)
> chaltain at Gmail
>
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