Emacspeak discussion list

[Lanie Carmelo <laniegcarmelo AT gmail.com>]

Okay, I think I have everything set up right.        Emacspeak doesn't 
start when I open Emacs, though. Does this mean I did something wrong, 
or is there a certain way to start Emacspeak?

On 4/28/24 20:54, Tim Cross wrote:
> It is a little convoluted because emacs and linux has evolved and
> preferences for config file locations have changed. Emacs
> likes to maintain backwards compatibility. This means there are multiple
> possible locations for a user initialisation file and even multiple
> different names.
>
> Under modern XDG style setups, the configuration file is
> ~/.config/emacs/init.el and in older setups it is often in
> ~/.emacs.d/init.el (this is what I have). Note that ~/ is shorthand for
> your home directory.
>
> For more detailed explanation, I have included some info from the Emacs
> manual below.
>
> 51.4 The Emacs Initialization File
> ==================================
>
> When Emacs is started, it normally tries to load a Lisp program from an
> “initialization file”, or “init file” for short.  This file, if it
> exists, specifies how to initialize Emacs for you.  Traditionally, file
> ‘~/.emacs’ is used as the init file, although Emacs also looks at
> ‘~/.emacs.el’, ‘~/.emacs.d/init.el’, ‘~/.config/emacs/init.el’, or other
> locations.  *Note Find Init::.
>
> and
>
> 51.4.4 How Emacs Finds Your Init File
> -------------------------------------
>
> Emacs normally finds your init file in a location under your home
> directory(1).  *Note Init File::.
>
>     Emacs looks for your init file using the filenames ‘~/.emacs.el’,
> ‘~/.emacs’, or ‘~/.emacs.d/init.el’ in that order; you can choose to use
> any one of these names.  (Note that only the locations directly in your
> home directory have a leading dot in the location’s basename.)
>
>     Emacs can also look in an XDG-compatible location for ‘init.el’, the
> default is the directory ‘~/.config/emacs’.  This can be overridden by
> setting ‘XDG_CONFIG_HOME’ in your environment, its value replaces
> ‘~/.config’ in the name of the default XDG init file.  However
> ‘~/.emacs.d’, ‘~/.emacs’, and ‘~/.emacs.el’ are always preferred if they
> exist, which means that you must delete or rename them in order to use
> the XDG location.
>
>     Note also that if neither the XDG location nor ‘~/.emacs.d’ exist,
> then Emacs will create ‘~/.emacs.d’ (and therefore use it during
> subsequent invocations).
>
>     Emacs will set ‘user-emacs-directory’ to the directory it decides to
> use.
>
>
> > I managed to finally build the eSpeak server and added some things from the 
> > Emacspeak installation instructions to my .
> > bashrc file, which is the closest thing I could find to .bash_profile, the 
> > file the instructions mention. I'm now looking for the .
> > emacs file. Can anyone give me any pointers as to where this might be?
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 7:29 PM Tim Cross <theophilusx AT gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   OK, we have progress. That is a different error.
> >
> >   It looks like your missing the tcl packages. I don't know exactly what
> >   they are called on Ubuntu, but you essentially need the packages tcl,
> >   tcl-devel (or tcl-dev or something similar) and tclx.
> >
> >   Lanie Carmelo <laniegcarmelo AT gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >   > Looks like the same error to me:
> >   > g++ -g    -O2 -fPIC  -DPIC  -pedantic -ansi -Wall -Wno-long-long 
> > --std=c++11 -I/usr/include/tcl8.6   -c -o tclespeak.o
> >   > tclespeak.cpp
> >   > tclespeak.cpp:47:10: fatal error: tcl.h: No such file or directory
> >   >    47 | #include <tcl.h>
> >   >       |          ^~~~~~~
> >   > compilation terminated.
> >   > make: *** [<builtin>: tclespeak.o] Error 1
> >   > I'll look in the directory you mentioned and see if I can find the file.
> >   >
> >   > On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 6:42 PM Tim Cross <theophilusx AT gmail.com> wrote:
> >   >
> >   >  My guess would be that under your distro, the package you need is
> >   >  libespeak-ng-dev/noble, which from you list, you seem to have
> >   >  installed. So, next step is to verify whether
> >   >
> >   >  1. You are definitely getting the exact same error
> >   >
> >   >  2. Where the header file speak_lib.h is located on your
> >   >  system. If it isn't in /usr/include/espeak-ng then you will need to
> >   >  adjust the path the compiler searches in order to find it. However, just
> >   >  to be certain, make sure you do a make clean and a make in the
> >   >  native-espeak directory to verify it is the exact same error message.
> >   >
> >   >  Lanie Carmelo <laniegcarmelo AT gmail.com> writes:
> >   >
> >   >  > Okay, I just looked again, and I can't find a package with the name 
> > espeak-ng-devel. These are all the packages I
> >   find
> >   >  when
> >   >  > I do sudo apt search espeak:
> >   >  > asterisk-espeak/noble 5.0~1-4ubuntu1 amd64
> >   >  >   eSpeak module for Asterisk
> >   >  >
> >   >  > brltty-espeak/noble 6.6-4ubuntu5 amd64
> >   >  >   Access software for a blind person - espeak driver
> >   >  >
> >   >  > emacspeak/noble,now 53.0+dfsg-2 all [installed]
> >   >  >   speech output interface to Emacs
> >   >  >
> >   >  > emacspeak-espeak-server/noble,now 53.0+dfsg-2 amd64 
> > [installed,automatic]
> >   >  >   espeak synthesis server for emacspeak
> >   >  >
> >   >  > espeak/noble,now 1.48.15+dfsg-3build1 amd64 [installed]
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer
> >   >  >
> >   >  > espeak-data/noble,now 1.48.15+dfsg-3build1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: speech data files
> >   >  >
> >   >  > espeak-ng/noble,now 1.51+dfsg-12build1 amd64 [installed]
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer
> >   >  >
> >   >  > espeak-ng-data/noble,now 1.51+dfsg-12build1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: speech data files
> >   >  >
> >   >  > espeak-ng-espeak/noble 1.51+dfsg-12build1 all
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer
> >   >  >
> >   >  > espeakedit/noble 1.48.15-2build3 amd64
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer - editor
> >   >  >
> >   >  > espeakup/noble 1:0.90-13build2 amd64
> >   >  >   Connector between speakup kernel modules and espeak
> >   >  >
> >   >  > foliate/noble 4.~really3.1.1-1 all
> >   >  >   simple and modern ebook viewer
> >   >  >
> >   >  > gstreamer1.0-espeak/noble 0.5.0-1build2 amd64
> >   >  >   GStreamer plugin for eSpeak speech synthesis
> >   >  >
> >   >  > libespeak-dev/noble,now 1.48.15+dfsg-3build1 amd64 [installed]
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: development files
> >   >  >
> >   >  > libespeak-ng-dev/noble,now 1.51+dfsg-12build1 amd64 [installed]
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: development files
> >   >  >
> >   >  > libespeak-ng-libespeak-dev/noble 1.51+dfsg-12build1 amd64
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: development files
> >   >  >
> >   >  > libespeak-ng-libespeak1/noble 1.51+dfsg-12build1 amd64
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: shared library
> >   >  >
> >   >  > libespeak-ng1/noble,now 1.51+dfsg-12build1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: shared library
> >   >  >
> >   >  > libespeak1/noble,now 1.48.15+dfsg-3build1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
> >   >  >   Multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: shared library
> >   >  >
> >   >  > mbrola/noble 3.3+dfsg-9 amd64
> >   >  >   Multilingual software speech synthesizer
> >   >  >
> >   >  > pykml/noble 0.2.0+dfsg-4 all
> >   >  >   Python KML library -- scripts
> >   >  >
> >   >  > python3-espeak/noble,now 0.5-5build3 amd64 [installed]
> >   >  >   Python bindings for eSpeak
> >   >  >
> >   >  > python3-py/noble 1.11.0-2 all
> >   >  >   Advanced Python development support library (Python 3)
> >   >  >
> >   >  > python3-pykml/noble 0.2.0+dfsg-4 all
> >   >  >   Python KML library
> >   >  >
> >   >  > ruby-espeak/noble 1.1.0-1 all
> >   >  >   small Ruby API to create Text-To-Speech mp3 files
> >   >  >
> >   >  > speech-dispatcher-espeak/noble,now 0.12.0~rc2-2build3 amd64 [installed]
> >   >  >   Speech Dispatcher: Espeak output module
> >   >  >
> >   >  > speech-dispatcher-espeak-ng/noble,now 0.12.0~rc2-2build3 amd64 
> > [installed,automatic]
> >   >  >   Speech Dispatcher: Espeak-ng output module
> >   >  >
> >   >  > speechd-up/noble 0.5~20110719-15 amd64
> >   >  >   Interface between Speech Dispatcher and SpeakUp
> >   >  >
> >   >  > stardict-plugin/noble 3.0.7+git20220909+dfsg-4build4 amd64
> >   >  >   International dictionary lookup program - common plugins
> >   >  >
> >   >  > stardict-plugin-espeak/noble 3.0.7+git20220909+dfsg-4build4 amd64
> >   >  >   International dictionary lookup program - eSpeak TTS plugin
> >   >  >
> >   >  > yt-dlp/noble,now 2024.04.09-1 all [installed,automatic]
> >   >  >   downloader of videos from YouTube and other sites
> >   >  >
> >   >  > On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 5:56 PM Tim Cross <theophilusx AT gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  The initial error you reported is telling you that the make process
> >   >  >  cannot find a espeak-ng header file. As reported by others, this
> >   >  >  typically indicates you don't have the epseak-ng development package
> >   >  >  installed which contains the shared libraries and header files needed 
> > to
> >   >  >  build the espeak speech server. Development packages typically share 
> > the
> >   >  >  name of the main binary package, but with the extension -devel.
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  If you have verified you have espeak-ng-devel (and not espeak-devel, 
> > the
> >   >  >  'ng' is important) installed, verify you are getting the exact same
> >   >  >  error and not just another error. Do a make clean and then a make in 
> > the
> >   >  >  native-espeak directory. If you get the exact same error message, that
> >   >  >  would indicate that for some reason, the build process is not finding
> >   >  >  the header files. This would indicate they are in a different location
> >   >  >  to where the build process expects them, so the next step would be to
> >   >  >  identify where the files are located. On Fedora, the files are in
> >   >  >  /usr/include/espeak-ng and I would expect a similar location in
> >   >  >  Ubuntu/debian.
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  So, first step, confirm it is the exact same error message and if it 
> > is,
> >   >  >  confirm you have espeak-ng-devel installed and where the
> >   >  >  espeak-ng/speak_lib.h file is located.
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  If it is actually a slightly different error message your now getting,
> >   >  >  then post that message and we will look at that. Hope it is a slightly
> >   >  >  different message as that means progress!
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  BTW you say you just installed Linux on an old system you had. Can you
> >   >  >  also indicate how familiar and/or comfortable you are with Linux. This
> >   >  >  will help in knowing what level of detail we need to provide when 
> > making
> >   >  >  suggestions.
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  "Lanie Carmelo" (via emacspeak Mailing List) 
> > <emacspeak AT emacspeak.net> writes:
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  > I think I have all the right eSpeak packages installed, but it 
> > still doesn't work. A file showing my available
> >   packages
> >   >  and
> >   >  >  > what I have installed is attached. Hopefully this will help clear 
> > things up.
> >   >  >  >
> >   >  >  > On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 4:51 AM John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> 
> > wrote:
> >   >  >  >
> >   >  >  >  I think you need the espeak-ng package as opposed to just espeak --
> >   >  >  >  not just the -dev package.
> >   >  >  >
> >   >  >  >  On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 01:43:23 -0400,
> >   >  >  >  Lanie Carmelo (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >   >  >  >  >
> >   >  >  >  > [1  <multipart/alternative (7bit)>]
> >   >  >  >  > [1.1  <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
> >   >  >  >  > Hi. I installed the dev package, but it's still not seeing that 
> > file.
> >   >  >  >  >
> >   >  >  >  > On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:44 PM Bart Bunting 
> > <bart AT bunting.net.au> wrote:
> >   >  >  >  >
> >   >  >  >  > > Looks like you’re missing the espeak ng dev package
> >   >  >  >  > > Regards
> >   >  >  >  > >
> >   >  >  >  > > Bart
> >   >  >  >  > >
> >   >  >  >  > > > On 28 Apr 2024, at 2:23 PM, Lanie Carmelo 
> > <emacspeak AT emacspeak.net>
> >   >  >  >  > > wrote:
> >   >  >  >  > > >
> >   >  >  >  > > > 
> >   >  >  >  > > > Hi all. New subscriber here. I just put Linux on an old 
> > computer I have,
> >   >  >  >  > > and I'm trying to install Emacspeak. I've tried both the 
> > directions on the
> >   >  >  >  > > Emacspeak website and just installing the package found when I 
> > type sudo
> >   >  >  >  > > apt install emacspeak. When I tried the first option for the 
> > first time,
> >   >  >  >  > > make config didn't work, so I tried the second and got a Dpkg 
> > error code 1.
> >   >  >  >  > > I then tried following the directions on the website again, 
> > and this time I
> >   >  >  >  > > got to where I'm supposed to build a speech server. I chose 
> > eSpeak and made
> >   >  >  >  > > sure all eSpeak packages were installed. I tried to build it 
> > by typing make
> >   >  >  >  > > and got:
> >   >  >  >  > > >
> >   >  >  >  > > > g++ -g    -O2 -fPIC  -DPIC  -pedantic -ansi -Wall 
> > -Wno-long-long
> >   >  >  >  > > --std=c++11 -I/usr/include/tcl8.6   -c -o tclespeak.o 
> > tclespeak.cpp
> >   >  >  >  > > > tclespeak.cpp:41:10: fatal error: espeak-ng/speak_lib.h: No 
> > such file or
> >   >  >  >  > > directory
> >   >  >  >  > > >    41 | #include <espeak-ng/speak_lib.h>
> >   >  >  >  > > >       |          ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >   >  >  >  > > > compilation terminated.
> >   >  >  >  > > > make: *** [<builtin>: tclespeak.o] Error 1
> >   >  >  >  > > > 
> > rarebird15@rarebird15-HP-Laptop-14-dq0xxx:~/emacspeak/servers/native-espeak$
> >   >  >  >  > > ^C
> >   >  >  >  > > > rarebird15@rarebird15-HP-Laptop-14-dq0xxx
> >   >  >  >  > > :~/emacspeak/servers/native-espeak$
> >   >  >  >  > > >
> >   >  >  >  > > > Has anyone else encountered this? Can you give me any 
> > suggestions on how
> >   >  >  >  > > to fix it? Thanks.
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> > is:
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> >   >  >  >
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