Re: Emacspeak ignores custom values from the .emacs file

[Steve Holmes <steve@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I would be most interested in your setup. I had no idea org-mode could be used in this manner. I looked briefly at the org-babel stuff and I have to do a lot more reading to understand it fully. Apparently, you can actually execute or evaluate code from org-mode but it sounds like you are doing something different. Anyway, I think some examples here will go much further to explain how to do this.

I look forward to what you can share. Getting emacspeak working just the way we want can be a challenge.

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> So far, using org-mode seems to work well. I’m still tweaking it a bit to get it right, but essentially, you can define your elisp blocks so that when you generate the code from the file, it will put various blocks in different *.el files. In my setup, I have a directory in .emacs.d called ‘lisp’ where all my *.el files go - for example, I have init-emacspeak.el
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> In my .emacs.d directory, I have an init.org file and an init.el file. The init.el file and the *.el files in the lisp directory are all generated from the init.org file. The init.el file is essentially just some basic setup code i.e. setting load-path etc and then a whole bunch of require statements which load files from the lisp directory. 
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> I will try to find time to clean up my init.org file and will then ut it up on github in case anyone wants to have a look at it. However, emacspeak users will need to recognise that my setup is a bit more complex than most users will need and has a lot of additional packages which many probably won’t want. Provided people use it just as a guide and not a canned configuration file, I’m happy for people to use whatever they want from it. I will not be in a position to help debug any problems people run into.
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> I have also included an experimental ‘get me out of trouble’ feature, which should allow easy startup of emacs with emacspeak in a minimal configuration - the idea being that if you break things, you have an escape hatch to get basic functionality back. 
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> regards,
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> Tim
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> Tim Cross
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>> On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:04 am, T. V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> That's good to hear -- re org -- have been planning to do
>> something like that for myself -- just haven't had the time. My
>> .custom file keeps corrupting itself and I started keeping it
>> under git control -- but that doesn't help much either. A giant
>> custom file basically becomes a single-point of failure -- it's
>> like the Windows Registry:-)
>>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>    Tim> ?Hi Victor, I think Raman hit the nail on the head - the
>>    Tim> dtk speech settings, such as speech rate, are a little
>>    Tim> different and need to be setup as part of the startup
>>    Tim> hook. Have a look at his settings in the tvr directory
>>    Tim> for good examples. I moved away from using the custom
>>    Tim> stuff, preferring to do it manually. In fact, I recently
>>    Tim> moved to using org-mode with babel and now keep all my
>>    Tim> emacs config in a file called init.org and use org modes
>>    Tim> babel support to export the relevant bits as *.el files
>>    Tim> in my .emacs.d directory. Quite like using this literate
>>    Tim> programming approach to maintaining my configuration as
>>    Tim> it provides more background/notes on why certain
>>    Tim> configuraitons are done in certain ways.
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Tim
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> -- Tim Cross IT Security Manager Information Technology
>>    Tim> Directorate University of New England Armidale NSW 2351
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Phone: +61 2 6773 3210 Mobile: +61 428 212 217 Email:
>>    Tim> tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx ________________________________ From:
>>    Tim> Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, 10
>>    Tim> June 2015 2:18 PM To: Tim Cross Cc: emacspeak Subject:
>>    Tim> Re: Emacspeak ignores custom values from the .emacs file
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Hello TIm. All of your assumptions are correct. I set
>>    Tim> custom values from the Easy Customization wizards,
>>    Tim> Emacspeak is loaded from the first line of my .emacs
>>    Tim> file and c-e c-s does not make any difference in my
>>    Tim> scenario.
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Thanks, Victor
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Tim Cross
>>    Tim> <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>    Tim> wrote: Hi Victor,
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> we probably need a bit more info as there are different
>>    Tim> ways of doing this.
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Can you clarify - are you using emacs custom to set
>>    Tim> these values or have you created entries manually in
>>    Tim> your emacs init file to customize emacs settings?
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> I'm assuming you have a line in your .emacs file to load
>>    Tim> the emacspeak startup stuff - is this at the beginning
>>    Tim> of your .emacs file?
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Is this with all emacspeak settings or just some?
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> If you restart the server with C-e C-s, do your settings
>>    Tim> take effect?
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Tim
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> On 9 June 2015 at 16:40, Victor Tsaran
>>    Tim> <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:vtsaran@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>    Tim> Hi. I've noticed the below behavior since I started
>>    Tim> running from the git repository, but didn't want to ask
>>    Tim> here before looking around. Unfortunately, I did not
>>    Tim> find any answer, so am posting here... After making the
>>    Tim> Emacspeak-relatedcustomizations, which are saved in my
>>    Tim> .emacs file, every time I start Emacs with Emacspeak,
>>    Tim> the latter ignores Emacspeak-related values from . emacs
>>    Tim> and reverts to the default ones. For example, if I set
>>    Tim> my Mac speech rate to 550, Emacspeak reverts to the
>>    Tim> default one (225) upon startup. I know that my .emacs is
>>    Tim> in good condition because other values are loaded with
>>    Tim> no problems.
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Where else can I look to troubleshoot this?
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Thanks, Victor
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>>    Tim> 
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>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> -- regards,
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> Tim
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> -- Tim Cross
>>    Tim> 
>>    Tim> 
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