I love alpine - it configures with gmail IMAP and SMTP to send flawlessly and if you wish it can open your favorite web browser for links. Unfortunately for many web browsers except for the big ones don't work for Internet banking, many blind and visually disabled people find text browsers less confusing to use when listening to a text to speech engine and entering text with a keyboard - and avoiding the cursed mouse at all costs! Maybe w3-el will some day be able to help us use Internet banking! After all, emacspeak does everything else - and even more than I use. Best to all, David J. Ring, Jr., N1EA <http://www.qsl.net/n1ea/> SOWP <http://www.sowp.org/>, VWOA <http://www.vwoa.org/>, OOTC<http://www.ootc.us/>, FISTS <http://www.fists.co.uk/>, CW-Ops <http://www.cwops.org/>, JARL-A1<http://a1club.net/>, A1-OP <http://www.arrl.org/a-1-op>, ex-FOC 1271 ARRL-LM<http://www.arrl.org/> Chat Skype: djringjr MSN: djringjr@xxxxxxxxxxx AIM: N1EA icq: 27380609 Radio-Officers Google Group<http://groups.google.com/group/radio-officers?hl=en>-- Marine Morse Historic Recordings Page <http://www.qsl.net/n1ea/> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Steve Holmes <steve@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I'm curious of one thing. Now that vm has been improved in the IMAP area, which mail clients do people prefer these days - vm or gnus? I recall gnus having IMAP support for years but I just found gnus difficult to configure and get setup properly. I used to use gnus and vm many years ago before I used emacspeak and thenit was all fetchmail and POP stuff. What do people think now? I presently use mutt and thunderbird but wouldn't mind messing with vm again. I used to like that program in the past. But I do like mutt's integrated PGP support and the ability to skip over top-quoted messages. I can't think of any mailer that allows one to skip over top-quoted stuff other than mutt. On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:17:39AM +1100, Tim Cross wrote:Fetchmail and gmail work fine. Another alternative is to just use VM's direct imap support. Uday Reddy has put a fair amount of work intoimprovingVM's support for imap and has added things like header-only downloads and message caching etc to try and make it faster. I've found it pretty goodformoderate sized mail folders. I use gmail filters as much as possible to ensure mail is broken up into lots of smaller folders rather than justonebig folder. You can access different imap folders from within VM. The big advantage of doing this is you get a consistent message state tracking. You know which messages are new, unread, replied to etc as VMwillupdate such attributes on gmail. You cannot have this with the fetchmail approach. The big disadvantage is that if you get a large number of messages or you are on a slow or unreliable network connection, Emacs can appear tofreezefor a time when retrieving messages. I've not found this an issue myself, but have seen reports from others regarding this. I guess it is an unavoidable consequence of Emacs' lack of threading support. What I have not tried yet is configuring VM to use gmail as its smtpserver.This is possible and further enhances interaction with gmail by tracking contacts and sent mail in one place. Tim On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:00 PM, T.V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:Jason makes a good point. The emacspeak url template for gmail was created before imap support went liv from memory. I personally use fetchmail with imap and then read email using vm; I use the web interface mostly for searches. Haven't played with NotMuch -- Best Regards, --raman -- Best Regards, --raman On 1/21/11, Jason White <jason@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:It's also worth noting that if you want a mail system based onsearchesandtags, similar in concept to the Gmail Web interface, you can useNotmuch(http://notmuchmail.org/), basic code for better supporting which in Emacspeak was posted a while ago on this list. I am still waiting for a few significant features to be implementedbefore Iconsider making the transition. 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