Re: Emacspeak ignores custom values from the .emacs file

[Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Steve,

thanks and it is great if some of what I have there is helpful. Note that the documentation in my file is far more extensive than would normally be the case as I added a lot with the objective of being useful to others. When using literate programming for myself, I would normally have a lot less text/comments and what would be there would be specific to the code. The point is, literate programming does not necessarily mean a huge amount of comments. 

If you want to experiment with this approach, my advice is start simple. We are all different with respect to what works and what does not. I'm a strong believer in 'cherry picking' from the ideas of others. This is one of the major benefits of emacs - rather than being forced to adopt some ridged structure imposed by someone else, you can structure and manage your environment in a manner which best suits your personal way of thinking or workflow. 

There are a lot of example emacs configurations on github. I've taken ideas from many such examples. I've tried many solutions which haven't worked for me and I've modified ideas from others. My approach is something which has evolved over nearly 20 years of using emacs. There have been many false starts and likely will be many more. In fact, I doubt I'll ever be 100% happy with my configuration or how I manage it. 

Tim

On 17 June 2015 at 20:22, Steve Holmes <steve@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hey Tim,

Thanks so much for this really good write-up and org file. this
explains a lot. It also shows me how much more I need to learn about
getting the most out of emacs and emacspeak. You must have spent
considerable time documenting the thing. I think I would have to get
used to reading literal style programming though. I definitely like
comments in programs but I'm afraid I could drown in documentation
while tracking down some code. I could get used to it though. This
concept reminds me of perl with its perlpod insertions and I believe
python has something similar but not sure.

Again, thanks for sharing this setup. I will be picking over this file
over time and see what I can push into my own environment. It will be
a work in progress for sure.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 11:28:27AM +1000, Tim Cross wrote:
> OK, for those who are interested, I have uploaded my init.org file to
> github. The init.org file can be downloaded and opened in emacs using
> org-mode. You can then run M-x org-babel-load-file <RET> init.org to
> generate the *.el files. Note that you probably should do this in a
> temporary directory and not your .emacs.d directory to see what happens.
> The temporary directory will also need a subdirectory called lisp for this
> to work correctly.
>
> Use at your own risk. The url is
> https://github.com/theophilusx/emacs-init-org.git
>
> On 11 June 2015 at 23:04, Steve Holmes <steve@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I would be most interested in your setup. I had no idea org-mode could be
> > used in this manner. I looked briefly at the org-babel stuff and I have to
> > do a lot more reading to understand it fully. Apparently, you can actually
> > execute or evaluate code from org-mode but it sounds like you are doing
> > something different. Anyway, I think some examples here will go much
> > further to explain how to do this.
> >
> > I look forward to what you can share. Getting emacspeak working just the
> > way we want can be a challenge.
> >
> > > On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > So far, using org-mode seems to work well. I’m still tweaking it a bit
> > to get it right, but essentially, you can define your elisp blocks so that
> > when you generate the code from the file, it will put various blocks in
> > different *.el files. In my setup, I have a directory in .emacs.d called
> > ‘lisp’ where all my *.el files go - for example, I have init-emacspeak.el
> > >
> > > In my .emacs.d directory, I have an init.org file and an init.el file.
> > The init.el file and the *.el files in the lisp directory are all generated
> > from the init.org file. The init.el file is essentially just some basic
> > setup code i.e. setting load-path etc and then a whole bunch of require
> > statements which load files from the lisp directory.
> > >
> > > I will try to find time to clean up my init.org file and will then ut
> > it up on github in case anyone wants to have a look at it. However,
> > emacspeak users will need to recognise that my setup is a bit more complex
> > than most users will need and has a lot of additional packages which many
> > probably won’t want. Provided people use it just as a guide and not a
> > canned configuration file, I’m happy for people to use whatever they want
> > from it. I will not be in a position to help debug any problems people run
> > into.
> > >
> > > I have also included an experimental ‘get me out of trouble’ feature,
> > which should allow easy startup of emacs with emacspeak in a minimal
> > configuration - the idea being that if you break things, you have an escape
> > hatch to get basic functionality back.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > <une.png>
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim Cross
> > >
> > > IT Security Manager
> > > Information Technology Directorate
> > >
> > > University of New England
> > > Armidale N.S.W. 2351 Australia
> > >
> > > Email: tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Phone: +61 2 6773 3210
> > > Mobile: +61 428 212 217
> > >
> > >> On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:04 am, T. V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> That's good to hear -- re org -- have been planning to do
> > >> something like that for myself -- just haven't had the time. My
> > >> .custom file keeps corrupting itself and I started keeping it
> > >> under git control -- but that doesn't help much either. A giant
> > >> custom file basically becomes a single-point of failure -- it's
> > >> like the Windows Registry:-)
> > >>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > >>    Tim> ?Hi Victor, I think Raman hit the nail on the head - the
> > >>    Tim> dtk speech settings, such as speech rate, are a little
> > >>    Tim> different and need to be setup as part of the startup
> > >>    Tim> hook. Have a look at his settings in the tvr directory
> > >>    Tim> for good examples. I moved away from using the custom
> > >>    Tim> stuff, preferring to do it manually. In fact, I recently
> > >>    Tim> moved to using org-mode with babel and now keep all my
> > >>    Tim> emacs config in a file called init.org and use org modes
> > >>    Tim> babel support to export the relevant bits as *.el files
> > >>    Tim> in my .emacs.d directory. Quite like using this literate
> > >>    Tim> programming approach to maintaining my configuration as
> > >>    Tim> it provides more background/notes on why certain
> > >>    Tim> configuraitons are done in certain ways.
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Tim
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> -- Tim Cross IT Security Manager Information Technology
> > >>    Tim> Directorate University of New England Armidale NSW 2351
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Phone: +61 2 6773 3210 Mobile: +61 428 212 217 Email:
> > >>    Tim> tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx ________________________________ From:
> > >>    Tim> Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, 10
> > >>    Tim> June 2015 2:18 PM To: Tim Cross Cc: emacspeak Subject:
> > >>    Tim> Re: Emacspeak ignores custom values from the .emacs file
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Hello TIm. All of your assumptions are correct. I set
> > >>    Tim> custom values from the Easy Customization wizards,
> > >>    Tim> Emacspeak is loaded from the first line of my .emacs
> > >>    Tim> file and c-e c-s does not make any difference in my
> > >>    Tim> scenario.
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Thanks, Victor
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Tim Cross
> > >>    Tim> <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>    Tim> wrote: Hi Victor,
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> we probably need a bit more info as there are different
> > >>    Tim> ways of doing this.
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Can you clarify - are you using emacs custom to set
> > >>    Tim> these values or have you created entries manually in
> > >>    Tim> your emacs init file to customize emacs settings?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> I'm assuming you have a line in your .emacs file to load
> > >>    Tim> the emacspeak startup stuff - is this at the beginning
> > >>    Tim> of your .emacs file?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Is this with all emacspeak settings or just some?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> If you restart the server with C-e C-s, do your settings
> > >>    Tim> take effect?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Tim
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> On 9 June 2015 at 16:40, Victor Tsaran
> > >>    Tim> <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:vtsaran@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > >>    Tim> Hi. I've noticed the below behavior since I started
> > >>    Tim> running from the git repository, but didn't want to ask
> > >>    Tim> here before looking around. Unfortunately, I did not
> > >>    Tim> find any answer, so am posting here... After making the
> > >>    Tim> Emacspeak-relatedcustomizations, which are saved in my
> > >>    Tim> .emacs file, every time I start Emacs with Emacspeak,
> > >>    Tim> the latter ignores Emacspeak-related values from . emacs
> > >>    Tim> and reverts to the default ones. For example, if I set
> > >>    Tim> my Mac speech rate to 550, Emacspeak reverts to the
> > >>    Tim> default one (225) upon startup. I know that my .emacs is
> > >>    Tim> in good condition because other values are loaded with
> > >>    Tim> no problems.
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Where else can I look to troubleshoot this?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Thanks, Victor
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> -- regards,
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Tim
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> -- Tim Cross
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >
> >
> >
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> regards,
>
> Tim
>
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> Tim Cross

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