Re: emacspeak and w3

[Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I could be way off the mark, but my thoughts were that the w3
rendering code could be a worthwhile reference wrt rendering, but most
of it would need to be updated/modified - same with the css module. I
would like to see something with very separate and independent modules
that each have a well defined interface that are all hooked up
together to provide a usable browser AND provide a useful set of
utilities that could be used for other processin and provide an
interesting tool set for experimentation and personal customization.

It is probably this last part, experimentation and customization for
specific tasks I find most appealing about w3. For general browsing, I
am finding it increasingly necessary to use something like firefox or
chromium. However, as the epub stuff you did shows, there is still a
lot of potential for a reliable text browser with a very close
integration with emacs that will allow us to manipulate components
with custom elisp.

Tim

On 11 May 2012 13:23, T. V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> shr doesn't use any of the W3 rendering code.
>
> Unfortunately the parse structure that the W3 parser builds is
> not exactly the same shape as that returned by libxml -- so you'd
> have to do a bit of work before the W3 renderer can eat the
> libxml parse tree. But it shouldn't be a huge amount of work.
>
>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>    Tim> Now that is very interesting. Will certainly be checking
>    Tim> out shr - this is exactly along the same lines as I was
>    Tim> thinking wrt moving w3 forward and helping to ensure it
>    Tim> doesn't end up dying of bit rot.
>    Tim>
>    Tim> Since emacs added the interface to libxml, I've been
>    Tim> wondering about how much work this would take, so I'm
>    Tim> quite excited to find that thiswork has already started.
>    Tim>
>    Tim> Tim
>    Tim>
>    Tim> On 11 May 2012 03:47, T.V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>    Tim> wrote:
>    >> From an Emacspeak perspective, W3 will always trump W3M
>    >>  in terms of features --- w3m in emacs is nice, but the
>    >> integration leaves a lot to be desired -- in that emacs/w3
>    >> only gets its hands on the content after w3m itself has
>    >> done the bulk of the rendering.
>    >>
>    >> In the best of all worlds, the parsing and dom
>    >> construction would happen in the native layer --- and the
>    >> rendering happen in the lisp layer.  Module shr is a
>    >> beginning to that end --- in that it uses libxml to do the
>    >> parsing --
>    >>
>    >> On 5/9/12, Robert D. Crawford <robdcraw@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>    >>> "Tim Cross" <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>    >>>
>    >>>> The really nice thing is that since machines have gotten
>    >>>> so much faster in the past few years, the slower
>    >>>> rendering time of w3 compared to w3m is pretty much
>    >>>> unnoticeable except on really large html files.
>    >>>
>    >>> I've not used w3m in such a long time.  I've preferred w3
>    >>> since I first used it.  Glad to hear I'm not really
>    >>> missing out on speed.
>    >>>
>    >>>> thanks again, you have made my day!
>    >>>
>    >>> You are quite welcome.  Glad to have been of assistance.
>    >>>
>    >>> rdc
>    >>> --
>    >>> Robert D. Crawford
>    >>> robdcraw@xxxxxxxxxxx
>    >>>
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>    Tim>
>    Tim>
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> --raman



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Tim Cross

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