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[Victor Tsaran <vtsaran AT gmail.com>]

Hi John.

I just had an idea...

Back in the Bigsur days  the Emacs app used to crash altogether if you tried running it with Emacspeak. Back then Raman suggested a trick that fixed the issue.

Since then those crashes went away and I never thought about it twice. However, it occurred to me just right now to try it again and, what a surprise, this seems to fix the delay that you and I experience when starting the graphical version of Emacs.

If you are willing to try it out, here is what you can do:

1. Open lisp/emacspeak.el from the Emacspeak repository in a text editor.

2. Look for lines that start with

(make-thread 

function name and replace it with 

(funcall 

(Please pay attention to the left parenthesis at the beginning of the line and the space right after the "make-thread" function name.

3. To be on the safe side, you might want to evaluate the buffer before saving the file and restarting Emacs in case there are typos or something else goes wrong. If you get errors, do not save, etc.

4. "kill" the buffer, then arrow to the "emacspeak.el" (if you are accessing this from dired, of course), then press shift+b to byte-compile the file.

5. Restart Emacs with Emacspeak by pressing c-e c-r and see if the situation improves.

It did for me...

If something is unclear from the above, please let me know.

Best.

Victor

On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 9:34 PM Victor Tsaran <vtsaran AT gmail.com> wrote:

Yep, this is sort of the situation I am in currently.

If you wait a little bit, or just press up and down arrows a few times, Emacspeak may resume speaking. SOmetimes this happens after a few seconds, sometimes it may take 30. You will know that Emacspeak is about to resume its operation when you hear VoiceOver say something like "Emacs is not responding".

Unfortunately, I am not able to figure out how to profile what is happening there.

If you launch "emacs" in Terminal though, using the "emacs -nw" command, everything should work fine. Can you try it?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 8:05 PM John Covici <emacspeak AT emacspeak.net> wrote:

So, I have made some progress of a sort -- I wiped out the emacspeak
directtory  and re cloned from git.  Now emacspeak loads successfully,
but it will only speak if I use c-e commands, if I hit the down arror
for instance, nothing happens.  So, how to get things working again?

On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:04:51 -0500,
Parham Doustdar (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>
> [1  <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
> Also, if mplayer ends up not being the issue, can you clarify what you mean by “some sort of fatal error”? What sort? :-) Also, any tracebacks?
>
> > On 31 Jan 2024, at 13:40, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your quick response.
> >
> > I did make clean, make confiig and make whenever I changed the
> > emacspeak I was using.  I did tryy to load emacspeak using esc-x
> > load-file, but I got some kind of fatal error when trying to do that.
> > Since this is a mac, would I need mplayer and sox?
> >
> > On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 06:36:08 -0500,
> > Parham Doustdar (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >>
> >> [1  <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
> >> Hi John,
> >> There could be many reasons for this, so I’m going to throw a whole bunch of steps at you to see which one works, haha.
> >> First, have you tried running `make clean` and `make` when you either go back to a release or to the git HEAD?
> >> Also, do you have Emacspeak dependencies, notably mplayer and sox installed?
> >> If you do all this, we’ll need to figure out what happens when you load Emacspeak. I’m not sure of the best way to do this given your configuration, but maybe try the emacs -Q that you did before, and do M-: (load-file “~/src/emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el”) or whatever your emacspeak path is, and see if you can read the buffer contents with the errors, maybe from th e*Messages* buffer.
> >> Hope this gives you a few next steps to debug the issue!
> >>
> >>> On 31 Jan 2024, at 12:28, John Covici (via emacspeak Mailing List) <emacspeak AT emacspeak.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone. So, I think this started after upgrading to emacs 29.1.
> >>> What happens is that after emacspeak is loaded emacs does not work --
> >>> escape followed by x types x in the buffer.  c-x followed by b does
> >>> nothing at all.  Many other things don't seem to work as they should.
> >>>
> >>> So, I started on the hunt.  I am using the railway casc out of
> >>> homebrew, but the same thing happens with the original emacs macport.
> >>> So, the first thing I did was from the terrminal typed
> >>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/emacs-mac/emacs-29.1-mac-10.0/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacx
> >>> -q  to see if it was my settings.  Sure enough, emacs was functioning,
> >>> I knew this because vo read  some things and I could actually hear m-x
> >>> when I typed esc-x .  So, I then fooled around with my .emacs file and
> >>> sure enough, the load of emacspeak was the problem.  I was using
> >>> emacspeak from git and I went back to emacs 59, but no joy.  I am
> >>> stumped after that, so any suggestions as to how to debug further
> >>> would be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks all.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> >>> How do
> >>> you spend it?
> >>>
> >>>        John Covici wb2una
> >>>        covici AT ccs.covici.com
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> > How do
> > you spend it?
> >
> >         John Covici wb2una
> >         covici AT ccs.covici.com
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