Emacspeak discussion list

[Robert Melton <lists AT robertmelton.com>]

Yep, so you can tell you are in quotes, but since that is a feature of the 
speech server (swiftmac, mac) it should have always been working.  No idea 
why it would start working for you now... I don't think sox would impact 
that. 

> On Feb 1, 2024, at 13:37, John Covici (via emacspeak Mailing List) 
> <emacspeak AT emacspeak.net> wrote:
> 
> I fixed the rate, I had set the character-scale to a lower value
> because it used to be hard to hear each character as you arrowed over
> it.
> 
> The pitch shift only seems to happen in quoted strings -- is that a
> feature?
> 
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 12:54:43 -0500,
> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>> 
>> [1  <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
>> John--
>> 
>> I am now utterly confused about what version of emacspeak you were using. 
>> As the pitch shift on quotes has been a standard feature since I have been 
>> using emacspeak, not sure when it was added. 
>> 
>> As for the rate, change it to whatever you like: C-e d r 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2024, at 11:27, John Covici (via emacspeak Mailing List) 
>>> <emacspeak AT emacspeak.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, I am getting emacspeak to sort of work with a few strange things
>>> happening.  If I arrow over each character its very slow, as though
>>> emacspeak suddenly has a much lower speaking rate.  Also, any line
>>> with a quotation mark, raises the pitch for anything after the
>>> quotation mark.
>>> 
>>> I want to thank everyone for your help on this one.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 10:27:10 -0500,
>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> [1  <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
>>>> John--
>>>> 
>>>> I think I recreated this and it implies two things:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. You did not install sox (earlier this was recommended as a solution) 
>>>> 2. You are not using the recommended swiftmac auditory icon settings
>>>> 
>>>> I think if you "brew install sox" it will fix your problem, or if you 
>>>> use the recommended swiftmac audio icon play it will fix your problem as 
>>>> well.
>>>> 
>>>> But, in investigating this I think I found a bug in swiftmac audio icon 
>>>> playback, so that was a nice bonus! 
>>>> 
>>>> I would first just "brew install sox" and see if that gets it working. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 1, 2024, at 09:35, John Covici (via emacspeak Mailing List) 
>>>>> <emacspeak AT emacspeak.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, after finding the actual emacs binary and doing -nw, I actually
>>>>> get some warning about my .emacs file and so I ran with --debug-init
>>>>> and got the following:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
>>>>> make-process(:name nil :buffer nil)
>>>>>  apply(make-process (:name nil :buffer nil))
>>>>>    start-process(nil nil nil "play-sample" "button")
>>>>> emacspeak-play-auditory-icon(button)
>>>>>   emacspeak-auditory-icon(button)
>>>>> emacspeak-sounds-select-theme("/Users/covici/emacspeak/sounds/ogg-chimes/")
>>>>>  emacspeak()
>>>>>    (let ((file-name-handler-alist nil)
>>>>> (load-source-file-function nil)) (load "emacspeak-loaddefs")
>>>>> (emacspeak))
>>>>>  (if noninteractive nil (let ((file-name-handler-alist nil)
>>>>> (load-source-file-function nil)) (load "emacspeak-loaddefs")
>>>>> (emacspeak)))
>>>>>  eval-buffer(#<buffer  *load*-856885> nil
>>>>> "/Users/covici/emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el" nil t)  ; Reading
>>>>> at buffer position 2150
>>>>>  
>>>>> load-with-code-conversion("/Users/covici/emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el"
>>>>> "/Users/covici/emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el" nil nil)
>>>>>  load("/Users/covici/emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el" nil nil t)
>>>>>    load-file("/Users/covici/emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el")
>>>>> eval-buffer(#<buffer  *load*> nil "/Users/covici/.emacs" nil
>>>>> t)  ; Reading at buffer position 3837
>>>>>  load-with-code-conversion("/Users/covici/.emacs"
>>>>> "/Users/covici/.emacs" t t)
>>>>>  load("~/.emacs" noerror nomessage)
>>>>>    startup--load-user-init-file(#f(compiled-function () #<bytecode
>>>>> 0x1569ad0cc53c31>) #f(compiled-function () #<bytecode
>>>>> -0x1f3c61addc0b5af5>) t)
>>>>>  command-line()
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:04:51 -0500,
>>>>> Parham Doustdar (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
>>>>>> Also, if mplayer ends up not being the issue, can you clarify what you 
>>>>>> mean by “some sort of fatal error”? What sort? :-) Also, any 
>>>>>> tracebacks?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 31 Jan 2024, at 13:40, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for your quick response.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I did make clean, make confiig and make whenever I changed the
>>>>>>> emacspeak I was using.  I did tryy to load emacspeak using esc-x
>>>>>>> load-file, but I got some kind of fatal error when trying to do that.
>>>>>>> Since this is a mac, would I need mplayer and sox?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 06:36:08 -0500,
>>>>>>> Parham Doustdar (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>> There could be many reasons for this, so I’m going to throw a whole 
>>>>>>>> bunch of steps at you to see which one works, haha.
>>>>>>>> First, have you tried running `make clean` and `make` when you 
>>>>>>>> either go back to a release or to the git HEAD?
>>>>>>>> Also, do you have Emacspeak dependencies, notably mplayer and sox 
>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>> If you do all this, we’ll need to figure out what happens when you 
>>>>>>>> load Emacspeak. I’m not sure of the best way to do this given your 
>>>>>>>> configuration, but maybe try the emacs -Q that you did before, and 
>>>>>>>> do M-: (load-file “~/src/emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el”) or 
>>>>>>>> whatever your emacspeak path is, and see if you can read the buffer 
>>>>>>>> contents with the errors, maybe from th e*Messages* buffer.
>>>>>>>> Hope this gives you a few next steps to debug the issue!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 31 Jan 2024, at 12:28, John Covici (via emacspeak Mailing List) 
>>>>>>>>> <emacspeak AT emacspeak.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone. So, I think this started after upgrading to emacs 29.1.
>>>>>>>>> What happens is that after emacspeak is loaded emacs does not work 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> escape followed by x types x in the buffer.  c-x followed by b does
>>>>>>>>> nothing at all.  Many other things don't seem to work as they 
>>>>>>>>> should.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, I started on the hunt.  I am using the railway casc out of
>>>>>>>>> homebrew, but the same thing happens with the original emacs 
>>>>>>>>> macport.
>>>>>>>>> So, the first thing I did was from the terrminal typed
>>>>>>>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/emacs-mac/emacs-29.1-mac-10.0/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacx
>>>>>>>>> -q  to see if it was my settings.  Sure enough, emacs was 
>>>>>>>>> functioning,
>>>>>>>>> I knew this because vo read  some things and I could actually hear 
>>>>>>>>> m-x
>>>>>>>>> when I typed esc-x .  So, I then fooled around with my .emacs file 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> sure enough, the load of emacspeak was the problem.  I was using
>>>>>>>>> emacspeak from git and I went back to emacs 59, but no joy.  I am
>>>>>>>>> stumped after that, so any suggestions as to how to debug further
>>>>>>>>> would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks all.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question 
>>>>>>>>> is:
>>>>>>>>> How do
>>>>>>>>> you spend it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     John Covici wb2una
>>>>>>>>>     covici AT ccs.covici.com
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>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
>>>>>>> How do
>>>>>>> you spend it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      John Covici wb2una
>>>>>>>      covici AT ccs.covici.com
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
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>>>>> How do
>>>>> you spend it?
>>>>> 
>>>>>       John Covici wb2una
>>>>>       covici AT ccs.covici.com
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>>> How do
>>> you spend it?
>>> 
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> -- 
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> How do
> you spend it?
> 
>         John Covici wb2una
>         covici AT ccs.covici.com
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