Re: emacspeak and w3

[Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I installed lois and chromevox from the chrome store. Running version
Chromium 18.0.1025.168 from ubuntu 12.04, but no luck getting it
working yet. Not sue how to verify nacl support - looks like it was
added in v14 and it is listed/mentioned in the copyright file of this
version, but no luck yet.

On another note, seem to have run itno a bug with emacs 24 url, so now
I cannot follow links in w3. Seems to be losing the 'host' value
somewhere, so throws a stingp nil error. Was working with a version of
emacs from earlier in the week, so probably just a temporary hitch.

Was working through your mm-customize.el file and noticed something
which I found a bit confusing. In it, you have some tests under the
mm--inline-media-tests setting of the form

(lambda (&rest ignore)
  (or mm-text-html-renderer
        mm-text-html-renderer))

I don't understand the or statement. It has the same varible for both
paths - seems like a weird thing to do, unless there is something I'm
missing? I would have thought just returning the var would achieve the
same result? Just curious really as I always like to try and
understand bits of elisp I come across.


Tim


On 12 May 2012 13:05, T. V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> nds good.
>
> My own choice for general purpose browsing is Chrome with
> chromevox loaded -- give that a shot.
>
> You'll need to:
>
> 1. Install ChromeVox and the Lois voice from the Chrome Web
> Store;
> 2. Ensure that your Chrome has nacl support.
>
> Eventually I'd like to use Chrome's remote debugging API  to
> connect emacs to Chrome --- and do the following:
>
> Use ChromeVox to work with the general purpose Web.
>
> 2. Use the remote port connection between Emacs and Chrome to get
> Web content into Emacs so you can further manipulate it as
> desired. All of this is a fair bit of work.
>
>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>    Tim> I could be way off the mark, but my thoughts were that
>    Tim> the w3 rendering code could be a worthwhile reference
>    Tim> wrt rendering, but most of it would need to be
>    Tim> updated/modified - same with the css module. I would
>    Tim> like to see something with very separate and independent
>    Tim> modules that each have a well defined interface that are
>    Tim> all hooked up together to provide a usable browser AND
>    Tim> provide a useful set of utilities that could be used for
>    Tim> other processin and provide an interesting tool set for
>    Tim> experimentation and personal customization.
>    Tim>
>    Tim> It is probably this last part, experimentation and
>    Tim> customization for specific tasks I find most appealing
>    Tim> about w3. For general browsing, I am finding it
>    Tim> increasingly necessary to use something like firefox or
>    Tim> chromium. However, as the epub stuff you did shows,
>    Tim> there is still a lot of potential for a reliable text
>    Tim> browser with a very close integration with emacs that
>    Tim> will allow us to manipulate components with custom
>    Tim> elisp.
>    Tim>
>    Tim> Tim
>    Tim>
>    Tim> On 11 May 2012 13:23, T. V. Raman
>    Tim> <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>    >> shr doesn't use any of the W3 rendering code.
>    >>
>    >> Unfortunately the parse structure that the W3 parser
>    >> builds is not exactly the same shape as that returned by
>    >> libxml -- so you'd have to do a bit of work before the W3
>    >> renderer can eat the libxml parse tree. But it shouldn't
>    >> be a huge amount of work.
>    >>
>    >>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>    >>    Tim> Now that is very interesting. Will certainly be
>    >> checking    Tim> out shr - this is exactly along the same
>    >> lines as I was    Tim> thinking wrt moving w3 forward and
>    >> helping to ensure it    Tim> doesn't end up dying of bit
>    >> rot.    Tim>    Tim> Since emacs added the interface to
>    >> libxml, I've been    Tim> wondering about how much work
>    >> this would take, so I'm    Tim> quite excited to find that
>    >> thiswork has already started.    Tim>    Tim> Tim    Tim>
>    >> Tim> On 11 May 2012 03:47, T.V. Raman
>    >> <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx>    Tim> wrote:    >> From an
>    >> Emacspeak perspective, W3 will always trump W3M    >>  in
>    >> terms of features --- w3m in emacs is nice, but the    >>
>    >> integration leaves a lot to be desired -- in that emacs/w3
>    >> >> only gets its hands on the content after w3m itself has
>    >> >> done the bulk of the rendering.    >>    >> In the best
>    >> of all worlds, the parsing and dom    >> construction
>    >> would happen in the native layer --- and the    >>
>    >> rendering happen in the lisp layer.  Module shr is a    >>
>    >> beginning to that end --- in that it uses libxml to do the
>    >> >> parsing --    >>    >> On 5/9/12, Robert D. Crawford
>    >> <robdcraw@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:    >>> "Tim Cross"
>    >> <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:    >>>    >>>> The really nice
>    >> thing is that since machines have gotten    >>>> so much
>    >> faster in the past few years, the slower    >>>> rendering
>    >> time of w3 compared to w3m is pretty much    >>>>
>    >> unnoticeable except on really large html files.    >>>
>    >> >>> I've not used w3m in such a long time.  I've preferred
>    >> w3    >>> since I first used it.  Glad to hear I'm not
>    >> really    >>> missing out on speed.    >>>    >>>> thanks
>    >> again, you have made my day!    >>>    >>> You are quite
>    >> welcome.  Glad to have been of assistance.    >>>    >>>
>    >> rdc    >>> --    >>> Robert D. Crawford    >>>
>    >> robdcraw@xxxxxxxxxxx    >>>    >>>
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>    >>
>    >> --
>    >> Best Regards, --raman
>    >>
>    >> --
>    >> Best Regards, --raman
>    Tim>
>    Tim>
>    Tim>
>    Tim> -- Tim Cross
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> --raman



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Tim Cross

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