responses in-lined:
>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
Tim> I installed lois and chromevox from the chrome
Tim> store. Running version Chromium 18.0.1025.168 from
Tim> ubuntu 12.04, but no luck getting it working yet. Not
Tim> sue how to verify nacl support - looks like it was added
Tim> in v14 and it is listed/mentioned in the copyright file
See Jason's note. Not all debian/ubuntu builds include nacl. Get
package google-chrome -- rather than chromium.
Tim> of this version, but no luck yet.
Tim>
Tim> On another note, seem to have run itno a bug with emacs
Tim> 24 url, so now I cannot follow links in w3. Seems to be
this is transient. A couple of weeks ago, they broke all google
search result links -- see the advice in emacspeak-w3.el
that "canonicalizes google result urls when passed to the url
library. I filed a bug and I suspect they broke something else
in fixing that. Make sure you're running emacspeak from svn and
that you have the latest snapshot as well.
Tim> losing the 'host' value somewhere, so throws a stingp
Tim> nil error. Was working with a version of emacs from
Tim> earlier in the week, so probably just a temporary hitch.
Tim>
Tim> Was working through your mm-customize.el file and
Tim> noticed something which I found a bit confusing. In it,
Tim> you have some tests under the mm--inline-media-tests
that is old cruft, and the or is a no-op -- consequence of cut
Tim> and paste.
Tim> setting of the form
Tim>
Tim> (lambda (&rest ignore) (or mm-text-html-renderer
Tim> mm-text-html-renderer))
Tim>
Tim> I don't understand the or statement. It has the same
Tim> varible for both paths - seems like a weird thing to do,
Tim> unless there is something I'm missing? I would have
Tim> thought just returning the var would achieve the same
Tim> result? Just curious really as I always like to try and
Tim> understand bits of elisp I come across.
Tim>
Tim>
Tim> Tim
Tim>
Tim>
Tim> On 12 May 2012 13:05, T. V. Raman
Tim> <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> nds good.
>>
>> My own choice for general purpose browsing is Chrome with
>> chromevox loaded -- give that a shot.
>>
>> You'll need to:
>>
>> 1. Install ChromeVox and the Lois voice from the Chrome
>> Web Store; 2. Ensure that your Chrome has nacl support.
>>
>> Eventually I'd like to use Chrome's remote debugging API
>> to connect emacs to Chrome --- and do the following:
>>
>> Use ChromeVox to work with the general purpose Web.
>>
>> 2. Use the remote port connection between Emacs and Chrome
>> to get Web content into Emacs so you can further
>> manipulate it as desired. All of this is a fair bit of
>> work.
>>
>>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>> Tim> I could be way off the mark, but my thoughts were
>> that Tim> the w3 rendering code could be a worthwhile
>> reference Tim> wrt rendering, but most of it would need
>> to be Tim> updated/modified - same with the css
>> module. I would Tim> like to see something with very
>> separate and independent Tim> modules that each have a
>> well defined interface that are Tim> all hooked up
>> together to provide a usable browser AND Tim> provide a
>> useful set of utilities that could be used for Tim>
>> other processin and provide an interesting tool set for
>> Tim> experimentation and personal customization. Tim>
>> Tim> It is probably this last part, experimentation and
>> Tim> customization for specific tasks I find most
>> appealing Tim> about w3. For general browsing, I am
>> finding it Tim> increasingly necessary to use something
>> like firefox or Tim> chromium. However, as the epub
>> stuff you did shows, Tim> there is still a lot of
>> potential for a reliable text Tim> browser with a very
>> close integration with emacs that Tim> will allow us to
>> manipulate components with custom Tim> elisp. Tim>
>> Tim> Tim Tim> Tim> On 11 May 2012 13:23,
>> T. V. Raman Tim> <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>
>> shr doesn't use any of the W3 rendering code. >> >>
>> Unfortunately the parse structure that the W3 parser >>
>> builds is not exactly the same shape as that returned by
>> >> libxml -- so you'd have to do a bit of work before the
>> W3 >> renderer can eat the libxml parse tree. But it
>> shouldn't >> be a huge amount of work. >> >>>>>>>
>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >>
>> Tim> Now that is very interesting. Will certainly be
>> >> checking Tim> out shr - this is exactly along the
>> same >> lines as I was Tim> thinking wrt moving w3
>> forward and >> helping to ensure it Tim> doesn't end
>> up dying of bit >> rot. Tim> Tim> Since emacs
>> added the interface to >> libxml, I've been Tim>
>> wondering about how much work >> this would take, so
>> I'm Tim> quite excited to find that >> thiswork has
>> already started. Tim> Tim> Tim Tim> >> Tim> On
>> 11 May 2012 03:47, T.V. Raman >>
>> <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> Tim> wrote: >> From an >>
>> Emacspeak perspective, W3 will always trump W3M >> in
>> >> terms of features --- w3m in emacs is nice, but the
>> >> >> integration leaves a lot to be desired -- in
>> that emacs/w3 >> >> only gets its hands on the content
>> after w3m itself has >> >> done the bulk of the
>> rendering. >> >> In the best >> of all worlds,
>> the parsing and dom >> construction >> would happen
>> in the native layer --- and the >> >> rendering
>> happen in the lisp layer. Module shr is a >> >>
>> beginning to that end --- in that it uses libxml to do the
>> >> >> parsing -- >> >> On 5/9/12, Robert
>> D. Crawford >> <robdcraw@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> "Tim
>> Cross" >> <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >>> >>>>
>> The really nice >> thing is that since machines have
>> gotten >>>> so much >> faster in the past few years,
>> the slower >>>> rendering >> time of w3 compared to
>> w3m is pretty much >>>> >> unnoticeable except on
>> really large html files. >>> >> >>> I've not used
>> w3m in such a long time. I've preferred >> w3 >>>
>> since I first used it. Glad to hear I'm not >> really
>> >>> missing out on speed. >>> >>>> thanks >>
>> again, you have made my day! >>> >>> You are quite
>> >> welcome. Glad to have been of assistance. >>>
>> >>> >> rdc >>> -- >>> Robert D. Crawford >>>
>> >> robdcraw@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> >>
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>> Tim> Tim> >> Tim> -- Tim Cross >> >> -- >>
>> Best Regards, --raman >> >> -- >> Best Regards,
>> --raman Tim> Tim> Tim> Tim> -- Tim Cross
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards, --raman
Tim>
Tim>
Tim>
Tim> -- Tim Cross
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Best Regards,
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