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[John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com>]

I have it sett in my .emacs file.  Maybe I will have to go back to the
other serverr and see if its working, for a test.

On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 10:06:37 -0500,
Robert Melton wrote:
> 
> John--
> 
> Thank you for pointing me to mac-ignore-accessibility, this setting is 
> completely separate from the server you are running and is left to user 
> control, I don't see anything in the python mac server that would trigger 
> it.  
> 
> Do you have it set in your init.el?  That said, it is possible it looks for 
> the mac server in specific as a subprocess or something else crazy, but it 
> seems just setting it should work. 
> 
> ----
> 
> Additionally, found the pitchShift bug on sayLetter, and fixed it. 
> 
> > On Jan 7, 2024, at 09:13, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> > 
> > There is a variable in the version of emacs I am using
> > mac-ignore-accessibility  which seems to be no longer working with
> > swiftmac -- not sure of the interaction here but there is something
> > going on.
> > 
> > On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 08:28:03 -0500,
> > Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >> 
> >> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> >> Regarding the double-speaking, modern macs have a fairly elegant 
> >> solution that doesn't require any code changes, and comes with MacOS. 
> >> 
> >> VoiceOver Utility lets you turn off voiceover when in certain windows.  
> >> It is rules oriented so when you leave the window it turns back on, you 
> >> do these via "Activities" in the voiceover utility. 
> >> 
> >> Alternatively, as TV said, there are builds that seem to (bug of 
> >> feature) turn off voiceover in the buffer (emacs-plus does this from 
> >> brew). This has the advantage that it doesn't break menu access.  Menu 
> >> access gets broken in the activity technique because you are still in 
> >> emacs, so it will continue to have voiceover off. 
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 23:31, T.V Raman <raman AT google.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I'd find a speech-server  tat turns off a screenreader with which it
> >>> has no relationship strange indeed; even if the Mac server does that
> >>> --- something I'd find surprizing --- I'd stil suggest thinking
> >>> through this carefully before apeing that behavior.
> >>> 
> >>> For instance, you can run the spech-server outside Emacspeak, e.g. to
> >>> test the speech-server stand-alone. The speech-servver turning off
> >>> other Assistive Tech in that situation would be surprizing   to the
> >>> user.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> "Robert Melton" (via emacspeak Mailing List) writes:
> >>>> Pitch shift should work on caps, I will confirm it.  
> >>>> 
> >>>> The automatically turning off, I will look at the mac server for how 
> >>>> they do that in python, I simply have my voiceover automatically turn 
> >>>> off for emacs, having it naturally turn off would be much better. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> The punctuation work perfect for me, read out dash dash.  
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 18:28, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Well, I installed successfully, a few questions./problems remain.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I was hoping for capitalization to be available, by pitch changes, am
> >>>>> I mistaken?  Also, voiceover is on in the emacspeak window -- isn't it
> >>>>> supposed to be off in that window only automatically?  I am pretty
> >>>>> sure it works that way with the default serverr.  I will also have to
> >>>>> see if I am doing something wrong with my punctuation settings,
> >>>>> when I was trying to reply to your email, I was not hearing any
> >>>>> dashes  in a line like the following:
> >>>>> --text follows this line--
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Otherwise, seems pretty good, I am even getting sounds!!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks for all yyour hard work.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 14:29:14 -0500,
> >>>>> Robert Melton wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I meant to type restart, not resetr. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Also, you will have to set swiftmac as you dtk-program 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> (setq dtk-program "swiftmac")
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> or however you set yours. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 13:38, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> OK, thanks -- what do you mean by "reset emacs"?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 13:09:49 -0500,
> >>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> >>>>>>>> It is in the current emacspeak git version, so will go out with 
> >>>>>>>> next major release.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> If you don't want to wait, or want a more cutting edge version 
> >>>>>>>> then use:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> after you get it just "make install" to build and install from the 
> >>>>>>>> root directory, then reset emacs.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> README.md and some project aspects will undergo rapid change in 
> >>>>>>>> the next few days, as it now has shifted purpose a bit. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 12:52, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> 
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> So, where do I get this serverr exactly and what version of emacs 
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> emacspeak are required?  I do have xcode here, so is that what is
> >>>>>>>>> needed to compile this?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 10:59:43 -0500,
> >>>>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> >>>>>>>>>> Hey swiftmac users! 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> I contributed swiftmac to emacspeak proper at the last possible 
> >>>>>>>>>> moment of 2023, because I wanted to do it last year. :) 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> That said, I heard your feedback and while T.V. has been awesome 
> >>>>>>>>>> enough to just accept my patches as long as as I stay to my 
> >>>>>>>>>> Swiftmac subtree (thanks again!)... I understand that you want 
> >>>>>>>>>> to continue using stable releases of Emacspeak!
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> So, I am tweaking my Swiftmac repo to be the cutting edge 
> >>>>>>>>>> version, and place to track bug reports.  When it hits nice 
> >>>>>>>>>> stable points or critical bug fixes I will be pushing those up 
> >>>>>>>>>> to emacspeak. 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Still puzzling out the best way to accomplish this, but for now 
> >>>>>>>>>> I will just make the changes to emacspeak by hand when the code 
> >>>>>>>>>> gets to a point I think it should be moved over. 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Bugs still exist, report them at 
> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac/issues
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> I will still be creating fat-binaries from time to time to 
> >>>>>>>>>> support the users who can not run swift to build the project.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Version 2, the rewrite using the newer mac audio subsystem will 
> >>>>>>>>>> be up around the end of the month under the v2 branch, but it is 
> >>>>>>>>>> likely not going to be easy to use day to day unless you want to 
> >>>>>>>>>> contribute and know swift.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the support. 
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> >>>>>>>>> you spend it?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>     John Covici wb2una
> >>>>>>>>>     covici AT ccs.covici.com
> >>>>>>>> 
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> >>>>>>>      John Covici wb2una
> >>>>>>>      covici AT ccs.covici.com
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
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> >>>>> you spend it?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>       John Covici wb2una
> >>>>>       covici AT ccs.covici.com
> >>>> 
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> > you spend it?
> > 
> >         John Covici wb2una
> >         covici AT ccs.covici.com
> 
> 

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you spend it?

         John Covici wb2una
         covici AT ccs.covici.com