Emacspeak discussion list

[Greg Wocher <gtwocher AT gmail.com>]

Hello,
I am using the mac port version. I like it because it puts emacs in your 
applications folder and you launch it like any other app. 

Greg Wocher


> On Jan 7, 2024, at 12:00 PM, Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) 
> <emacspeak AT emacspeak.net> wrote:
> 
> Question for the mac users on the list... what emacs are you using? 
> 
> I have been using Emacs-plus for a long time, but it seems for testing 
> swiftmac, I am going to have to install some other versions.  The ones I 
> know of are:
> 
> - Brew standard Emacs (is this most popular?)
> - Source built 
> - Macport version. 
> 
> and the one I use: 
> 
> - Emacs-plus via brew
> 
> Are there major versions I am missing?  
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 11:37, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, and this is why I thought your server was doing something
>> strange,  but maybe its something else.
>> 
>> On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 09:42:20 -0500,
>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>> 
>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
>>> But this works with the "mac" python server? 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 09:13, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There is a variable in the version of emacs I am using
>>>> mac-ignore-accessibility  which seems to be no longer working with
>>>> swiftmac -- not sure of the interaction here but there is something
>>>> going on.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 08:28:03 -0500,
>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
>>>>> Regarding the double-speaking, modern macs have a fairly elegant 
>>>>> solution that doesn't require any code changes, and comes with MacOS. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> VoiceOver Utility lets you turn off voiceover when in certain windows.  
>>>>> It is rules oriented so when you leave the window it turns back on, you 
>>>>> do these via "Activities" in the voiceover utility. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alternatively, as TV said, there are builds that seem to (bug of 
>>>>> feature) turn off voiceover in the buffer (emacs-plus does this from 
>>>>> brew). This has the advantage that it doesn't break menu access.  Menu 
>>>>> access gets broken in the activity technique because you are still in 
>>>>> emacs, so it will continue to have voiceover off. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 23:31, T.V Raman <raman AT google.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd find a speech-server  tat turns off a screenreader with which it
>>>>>> has no relationship strange indeed; even if the Mac server does that
>>>>>> --- something I'd find surprizing --- I'd stil suggest thinking
>>>>>> through this carefully before apeing that behavior.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For instance, you can run the spech-server outside Emacspeak, e.g. to
>>>>>> test the speech-server stand-alone. The speech-servver turning off
>>>>>> other Assistive Tech in that situation would be surprizing   to the
>>>>>> user.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Robert Melton" (via emacspeak Mailing List) writes:
>>>>>>> Pitch shift should work on caps, I will confirm it.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The automatically turning off, I will look at the mac server for how 
>>>>>>> they do that in python, I simply have my voiceover automatically turn 
>>>>>>> off for emacs, having it naturally turn off would be much better. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The punctuation work perfect for me, read out dash dash.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 18:28, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well, I installed successfully, a few questions./problems remain.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I was hoping for capitalization to be available, by pitch changes, am
>>>>>>>> I mistaken?  Also, voiceover is on in the emacspeak window -- isn't 
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> supposed to be off in that window only automatically?  I am pretty
>>>>>>>> sure it works that way with the default serverr.  I will also have to
>>>>>>>> see if I am doing something wrong with my punctuation settings,
>>>>>>>> when I was trying to reply to your email, I was not hearing any
>>>>>>>> dashes  in a line like the following:
>>>>>>>> --text follows this line--
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Otherwise, seems pretty good, I am even getting sounds!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for all yyour hard work.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 14:29:14 -0500,
>>>>>>>> Robert Melton wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I meant to type restart, not resetr. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Also, you will have to set swiftmac as you dtk-program 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> (setq dtk-program "swiftmac")
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> or however you set yours. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 13:38, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> OK, thanks -- what do you mean by "reset emacs"?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 13:09:49 -0500,
>>>>>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
>>>>>>>>>>> It is in the current emacspeak git version, so will go out with 
>>>>>>>>>>> next major release.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't want to wait, or want a more cutting edge version 
>>>>>>>>>>> then use:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> after you get it just "make install" to build and install from 
>>>>>>>>>>> the root directory, then reset emacs.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> README.md and some project aspects will undergo rapid change in 
>>>>>>>>>>> the next few days, as it now has shifted purpose a bit. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 12:52, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, where do I get this serverr exactly and what version of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> emacs and
>>>>>>>>>>>> emacspeak are required?  I do have xcode here, so is that what is
>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to compile this?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 10:59:43 -0500,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey swiftmac users! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I contributed swiftmac to emacspeak proper at the last possible 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment of 2023, because I wanted to do it last year. :) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, I heard your feedback and while T.V. has been 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> awesome enough to just accept my patches as long as as I stay 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to my Swiftmac subtree (thanks again!)... I understand that you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to continue using stable releases of Emacspeak!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I am tweaking my Swiftmac repo to be the cutting edge 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> version, and place to track bug reports.  When it hits nice 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stable points or critical bug fixes I will be pushing those up 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to emacspeak. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still puzzling out the best way to accomplish this, but for now 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will just make the changes to emacspeak by hand when the code 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets to a point I think it should be moved over. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bugs still exist, report them at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac/issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will still be creating fat-binaries from time to time to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support the users who can not run swift to build the project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Version 2, the rewrite using the newer mac audio subsystem will 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be up around the end of the month under the v2 branch, but it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is likely not going to be easy to use day to day unless you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to contribute and know swift.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the support. 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The 
>>>>>>>>>>>> question is:
>>>>>>>>>>>> How do
>>>>>>>>>>>> you spend it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>   John Covici wb2una
>>>>>>>>>>>>   covici AT ccs.covici.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question 
>>>>>>>>>> is:
>>>>>>>>>> How do
>>>>>>>>>> you spend it?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>    John Covici wb2una
>>>>>>>>>>    covici AT ccs.covici.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question 
>>>>>>>> is:
>>>>>>>> How do
>>>>>>>> you spend it?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     John Covici wb2una
>>>>>>>>     covici AT ccs.covici.com
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> you spend it?
>>>> 
>>>>       John Covici wb2una
>>>>       covici AT ccs.covici.com
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>> How do
>> you spend it?
>> 
>>        John Covici wb2una
>>        covici AT ccs.covici.com
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