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[Robert Melton <lists AT robertmelton.com>]

But this works with the "mac" python server? 

> On Jan 7, 2024, at 09:13, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a variable in the version of emacs I am using
> mac-ignore-accessibility  which seems to be no longer working with
> swiftmac -- not sure of the interaction here but there is something
> going on.
> 
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 08:28:03 -0500,
> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>> 
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>> Regarding the double-speaking, modern macs have a fairly elegant solution 
>> that doesn't require any code changes, and comes with MacOS. 
>> 
>> VoiceOver Utility lets you turn off voiceover when in certain windows.  It 
>> is rules oriented so when you leave the window it turns back on, you do 
>> these via "Activities" in the voiceover utility. 
>> 
>> Alternatively, as TV said, there are builds that seem to (bug of feature) 
>> turn off voiceover in the buffer (emacs-plus does this from brew). This 
>> has the advantage that it doesn't break menu access.  Menu access gets 
>> broken in the activity technique because you are still in emacs, so it 
>> will continue to have voiceover off. 
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 23:31, T.V Raman <raman AT google.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'd find a speech-server  tat turns off a screenreader with which it
>>> has no relationship strange indeed; even if the Mac server does that
>>> --- something I'd find surprizing --- I'd stil suggest thinking
>>> through this carefully before apeing that behavior.
>>> 
>>> For instance, you can run the spech-server outside Emacspeak, e.g. to
>>> test the speech-server stand-alone. The speech-servver turning off
>>> other Assistive Tech in that situation would be surprizing   to the
>>> user.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Robert Melton" (via emacspeak Mailing List) writes:
>>>> Pitch shift should work on caps, I will confirm it.  
>>>> 
>>>> The automatically turning off, I will look at the mac server for how 
>>>> they do that in python, I simply have my voiceover automatically turn 
>>>> off for emacs, having it naturally turn off would be much better. 
>>>> 
>>>> The punctuation work perfect for me, read out dash dash.  
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 18:28, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I installed successfully, a few questions./problems remain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was hoping for capitalization to be available, by pitch changes, am
>>>>> I mistaken?  Also, voiceover is on in the emacspeak window -- isn't it
>>>>> supposed to be off in that window only automatically?  I am pretty
>>>>> sure it works that way with the default serverr.  I will also have to
>>>>> see if I am doing something wrong with my punctuation settings,
>>>>> when I was trying to reply to your email, I was not hearing any
>>>>> dashes  in a line like the following:
>>>>> --text follows this line--
>>>>> 
>>>>> Otherwise, seems pretty good, I am even getting sounds!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for all yyour hard work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 14:29:14 -0500,
>>>>> Robert Melton wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I meant to type restart, not resetr. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, you will have to set swiftmac as you dtk-program 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (setq dtk-program "swiftmac")
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> or however you set yours. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 13:38, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OK, thanks -- what do you mean by "reset emacs"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 13:09:49 -0500,
>>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> It is in the current emacspeak git version, so will go out with next 
>>>>>>>> major release.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you don't want to wait, or want a more cutting edge version then 
>>>>>>>> use:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> after you get it just "make install" to build and install from the 
>>>>>>>> root directory, then reset emacs.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> README.md and some project aspects will undergo rapid change in the 
>>>>>>>> next few days, as it now has shifted purpose a bit. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 12:52, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, where do I get this serverr exactly and what version of emacs 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> emacspeak are required?  I do have xcode here, so is that what is
>>>>>>>>> needed to compile this?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 10:59:43 -0500,
>>>>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>> Hey swiftmac users! 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I contributed swiftmac to emacspeak proper at the last possible 
>>>>>>>>>> moment of 2023, because I wanted to do it last year. :) 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That said, I heard your feedback and while T.V. has been awesome 
>>>>>>>>>> enough to just accept my patches as long as as I stay to my 
>>>>>>>>>> Swiftmac subtree (thanks again!)... I understand that you want to 
>>>>>>>>>> continue using stable releases of Emacspeak!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So, I am tweaking my Swiftmac repo to be the cutting edge version, 
>>>>>>>>>> and place to track bug reports.  When it hits nice stable points 
>>>>>>>>>> or critical bug fixes I will be pushing those up to emacspeak. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Still puzzling out the best way to accomplish this, but for now I 
>>>>>>>>>> will just make the changes to emacspeak by hand when the code gets 
>>>>>>>>>> to a point I think it should be moved over. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bugs still exist, report them at 
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac/issues
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I will still be creating fat-binaries from time to time to support 
>>>>>>>>>> the users who can not run swift to build the project.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Version 2, the rewrite using the newer mac audio subsystem will be 
>>>>>>>>>> up around the end of the month under the v2 branch, but it is 
>>>>>>>>>> likely not going to be easy to use day to day unless you want to 
>>>>>>>>>> contribute and know swift.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the support. 
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>>>>>>>>>     John Covici wb2una
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