Emacspeak discussion list

[John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com>]

Here is the emacs verrsion I have:
Warning: Treating railwaycat/emacsmacport/emacs-mac as a formula. For
the cask, use railwaycat/emacsmacport/emacs-mac
==> railwaycat/emacsmacport/emacs-mac: stable emacs-28.2-mac-9.1, HEAD
YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu's Mac port of GNU Emacs
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
/opt/homebrew/Cellar/emacs-mac/emacs-28.2-mac-9.1 (4,116 files,
128.1MB) *
  Built from source on 2023-04-06 at 21:15:41
  From:
  
https://github.com/railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport/blob/HEAD/Formula/emacs-mac.rb
  
On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 12:00:49 -0500,
Robert Melton wrote:
> 
> Question for the mac users on the list... what emacs are you using? 
> 
> I have been using Emacs-plus for a long time, but it seems for testing 
> swiftmac, I am going to have to install some other versions.  The ones I 
> know of are:
> 
> - Brew standard Emacs (is this most popular?)
> - Source built 
> - Macport version. 
> 
> and the one I use: 
> 
> - Emacs-plus via brew
> 
> Are there major versions I am missing?  
> 
> > On Jan 7, 2024, at 11:37, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Yep, and this is why I thought your server was doing something
> > strange,  but maybe its something else.
> > 
> > On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 09:42:20 -0500,
> > Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >> 
> >> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> >> But this works with the "mac" python server? 
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 09:13, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> There is a variable in the version of emacs I am using
> >>> mac-ignore-accessibility  which seems to be no longer working with
> >>> swiftmac -- not sure of the interaction here but there is something
> >>> going on.
> >>> 
> >>> On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 08:28:03 -0500,
> >>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> >>>> Regarding the double-speaking, modern macs have a fairly elegant 
> >>>> solution that doesn't require any code changes, and comes with MacOS. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> VoiceOver Utility lets you turn off voiceover when in certain windows. 
> >>>>  It is rules oriented so when you leave the window it turns back on, 
> >>>> you do these via "Activities" in the voiceover utility. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Alternatively, as TV said, there are builds that seem to (bug of 
> >>>> feature) turn off voiceover in the buffer (emacs-plus does this from 
> >>>> brew). This has the advantage that it doesn't break menu access.  Menu 
> >>>> access gets broken in the activity technique because you are still in 
> >>>> emacs, so it will continue to have voiceover off. 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 23:31, T.V Raman <raman AT google.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'd find a speech-server  tat turns off a screenreader with which it
> >>>>> has no relationship strange indeed; even if the Mac server does that
> >>>>> --- something I'd find surprizing --- I'd stil suggest thinking
> >>>>> through this carefully before apeing that behavior.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> For instance, you can run the spech-server outside Emacspeak, e.g. to
> >>>>> test the speech-server stand-alone. The speech-servver turning off
> >>>>> other Assistive Tech in that situation would be surprizing   to the
> >>>>> user.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> "Robert Melton" (via emacspeak Mailing List) writes:
> >>>>>> Pitch shift should work on caps, I will confirm it.  
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> The automatically turning off, I will look at the mac server for how 
> >>>>>> they do that in python, I simply have my voiceover automatically 
> >>>>>> turn off for emacs, having it naturally turn off would be much 
> >>>>>> better. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> The punctuation work perfect for me, read out dash dash.  
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 18:28, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Well, I installed successfully, a few questions./problems remain.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I was hoping for capitalization to be available, by pitch changes, 
> >>>>>>> am
> >>>>>>> I mistaken?  Also, voiceover is on in the emacspeak window -- isn't 
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> supposed to be off in that window only automatically?  I am pretty
> >>>>>>> sure it works that way with the default serverr.  I will also have 
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> see if I am doing something wrong with my punctuation settings,
> >>>>>>> when I was trying to reply to your email, I was not hearing any
> >>>>>>> dashes  in a line like the following:
> >>>>>>> --text follows this line--
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Otherwise, seems pretty good, I am even getting sounds!!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Thanks for all yyour hard work.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 14:29:14 -0500,
> >>>>>>> Robert Melton wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> I meant to type restart, not resetr. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Also, you will have to set swiftmac as you dtk-program 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> (setq dtk-program "swiftmac")
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> or however you set yours. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 13:38, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> 
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> OK, thanks -- what do you mean by "reset emacs"?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 13:09:49 -0500,
> >>>>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> >>>>>>>>>> It is in the current emacspeak git version, so will go out with 
> >>>>>>>>>> next major release.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> If you don't want to wait, or want a more cutting edge version 
> >>>>>>>>>> then use:
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> after you get it just "make install" to build and install from 
> >>>>>>>>>> the root directory, then reset emacs.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> README.md and some project aspects will undergo rapid change in 
> >>>>>>>>>> the next few days, as it now has shifted purpose a bit. 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 12:52, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> So, where do I get this serverr exactly and what version of 
> >>>>>>>>>>> emacs and
> >>>>>>>>>>> emacspeak are required?  I do have xcode here, so is that what 
> >>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>> needed to compile this?
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 10:59:43 -0500,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey swiftmac users! 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I contributed swiftmac to emacspeak proper at the last 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> possible moment of 2023, because I wanted to do it last year. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> :) 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That said, I heard your feedback and while T.V. has been 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> awesome enough to just accept my patches as long as as I stay 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to my Swiftmac subtree (thanks again!)... I understand that 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you want to continue using stable releases of Emacspeak!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, I am tweaking my Swiftmac repo to be the cutting edge 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> version, and place to track bug reports.  When it hits nice 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stable points or critical bug fixes I will be pushing those up 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to emacspeak. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Still puzzling out the best way to accomplish this, but for 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> now I will just make the changes to emacspeak by hand when the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> code gets to a point I think it should be moved over. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bugs still exist, report them at 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac/issues
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will still be creating fat-binaries from time to time to 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> support the users who can not run swift to build the project.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Version 2, the rewrite using the newer mac audio subsystem 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> will be up around the end of the month under the v2 branch, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but it is likely not going to be easy to use day to day unless 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you want to contribute and know swift.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the support. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [2  <text/plain; UTF-8 (8bit)>]
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> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> -- 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The 
> >>>>>>>>>>> question is:
> >>>>>>>>>>> How do
> >>>>>>>>>>> you spend it?
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>    John Covici wb2una
> >>>>>>>>>>>    covici AT ccs.covici.com
> >>>>>>>>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>> -- 
> >>>>>>>>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The 
> >>>>>>>>> question is:
> >>>>>>>>> How do
> >>>>>>>>> you spend it?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>     John Covici wb2una
> >>>>>>>>>     covici AT ccs.covici.com
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -- 
> >>>>>>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question 
> >>>>>>> is:
> >>>>>>> How do
> >>>>>>> you spend it?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>      John Covici wb2una
> >>>>>>>      covici AT ccs.covici.com
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
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> >>> you spend it?
> >>> 
> >>>        John Covici wb2una
> >>>        covici AT ccs.covici.com
> >> 
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> > -- 
> > Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> > How do
> > you spend it?
> > 
> >         John Covici wb2una
> >         covici AT ccs.covici.com
> 
> 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

         John Covici wb2una
         covici AT ccs.covici.com