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[Robert Melton <lists AT robertmelton.com>]

Question for the mac users on the list... what emacs are you using? 

I have been using Emacs-plus for a long time, but it seems for testing 
swiftmac, I am going to have to install some other versions.  The ones I know 
of are:

- Brew standard Emacs (is this most popular?)
- Source built 
- Macport version. 

and the one I use: 

- Emacs-plus via brew

Are there major versions I am missing?  

> On Jan 7, 2024, at 11:37, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep, and this is why I thought your server was doing something
> strange,  but maybe its something else.
> 
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 09:42:20 -0500,
> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>> 
>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
>> But this works with the "mac" python server? 
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 09:13, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a variable in the version of emacs I am using
>>> mac-ignore-accessibility  which seems to be no longer working with
>>> swiftmac -- not sure of the interaction here but there is something
>>> going on.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 08:28:03 -0500,
>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
>>>> Regarding the double-speaking, modern macs have a fairly elegant 
>>>> solution that doesn't require any code changes, and comes with MacOS. 
>>>> 
>>>> VoiceOver Utility lets you turn off voiceover when in certain windows.  
>>>> It is rules oriented so when you leave the window it turns back on, you 
>>>> do these via "Activities" in the voiceover utility. 
>>>> 
>>>> Alternatively, as TV said, there are builds that seem to (bug of 
>>>> feature) turn off voiceover in the buffer (emacs-plus does this from 
>>>> brew). This has the advantage that it doesn't break menu access.  Menu 
>>>> access gets broken in the activity technique because you are still in 
>>>> emacs, so it will continue to have voiceover off. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 23:31, T.V Raman <raman AT google.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd find a speech-server  tat turns off a screenreader with which it
>>>>> has no relationship strange indeed; even if the Mac server does that
>>>>> --- something I'd find surprizing --- I'd stil suggest thinking
>>>>> through this carefully before apeing that behavior.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For instance, you can run the spech-server outside Emacspeak, e.g. to
>>>>> test the speech-server stand-alone. The speech-servver turning off
>>>>> other Assistive Tech in that situation would be surprizing   to the
>>>>> user.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Robert Melton" (via emacspeak Mailing List) writes:
>>>>>> Pitch shift should work on caps, I will confirm it.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The automatically turning off, I will look at the mac server for how 
>>>>>> they do that in python, I simply have my voiceover automatically turn 
>>>>>> off for emacs, having it naturally turn off would be much better. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The punctuation work perfect for me, read out dash dash.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 18:28, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, I installed successfully, a few questions./problems remain.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was hoping for capitalization to be available, by pitch changes, am
>>>>>>> I mistaken?  Also, voiceover is on in the emacspeak window -- isn't it
>>>>>>> supposed to be off in that window only automatically?  I am pretty
>>>>>>> sure it works that way with the default serverr.  I will also have to
>>>>>>> see if I am doing something wrong with my punctuation settings,
>>>>>>> when I was trying to reply to your email, I was not hearing any
>>>>>>> dashes  in a line like the following:
>>>>>>> --text follows this line--
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Otherwise, seems pretty good, I am even getting sounds!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for all yyour hard work.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 14:29:14 -0500,
>>>>>>> Robert Melton wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I meant to type restart, not resetr. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also, you will have to set swiftmac as you dtk-program 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> (setq dtk-program "swiftmac")
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> or however you set yours. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 13:38, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK, thanks -- what do you mean by "reset emacs"?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 13:09:49 -0500,
>>>>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
>>>>>>>>>> It is in the current emacspeak git version, so will go out with 
>>>>>>>>>> next major release.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't want to wait, or want a more cutting edge version 
>>>>>>>>>> then use:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> after you get it just "make install" to build and install from the 
>>>>>>>>>> root directory, then reset emacs.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> README.md and some project aspects will undergo rapid change in 
>>>>>>>>>> the next few days, as it now has shifted purpose a bit. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 12:52, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> So, where do I get this serverr exactly and what version of emacs 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> emacspeak are required?  I do have xcode here, so is that what is
>>>>>>>>>>> needed to compile this?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 10:59:43 -0500,
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey swiftmac users! 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I contributed swiftmac to emacspeak proper at the last possible 
>>>>>>>>>>>> moment of 2023, because I wanted to do it last year. :) 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, I heard your feedback and while T.V. has been awesome 
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to just accept my patches as long as as I stay to my 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Swiftmac subtree (thanks again!)... I understand that you want 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to continue using stable releases of Emacspeak!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I am tweaking my Swiftmac repo to be the cutting edge 
>>>>>>>>>>>> version, and place to track bug reports.  When it hits nice 
>>>>>>>>>>>> stable points or critical bug fixes I will be pushing those up 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to emacspeak. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still puzzling out the best way to accomplish this, but for now 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will just make the changes to emacspeak by hand when the code 
>>>>>>>>>>>> gets to a point I think it should be moved over. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bugs still exist, report them at 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac/issues
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will still be creating fat-binaries from time to time to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> support the users who can not run swift to build the project.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Version 2, the rewrite using the newer mac audio subsystem will 
>>>>>>>>>>>> be up around the end of the month under the v2 branch, but it is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> likely not going to be easy to use day to day unless you want to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute and know swift.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the support. 
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>    John Covici wb2una
>>>>>>>>>>>    covici AT ccs.covici.com
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>>>>>>>>>     John Covici wb2una
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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> How do
> you spend it?
> 
>         John Covici wb2una
>         covici AT ccs.covici.com