Emacspeak discussion list

[John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com>]

There is a variable in the version of emacs I am using
mac-ignore-accessibility  which seems to be no longer working with
swiftmac -- not sure of the interaction here but there is something
going on.

On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 08:28:03 -0500,
Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> 
> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> Regarding the double-speaking, modern macs have a fairly elegant solution 
> that doesn't require any code changes, and comes with MacOS. 
> 
> VoiceOver Utility lets you turn off voiceover when in certain windows.  It 
> is rules oriented so when you leave the window it turns back on, you do 
> these via "Activities" in the voiceover utility. 
> 
> Alternatively, as TV said, there are builds that seem to (bug of feature) 
> turn off voiceover in the buffer (emacs-plus does this from brew). This has 
> the advantage that it doesn't break menu access.  Menu access gets broken 
> in the activity technique because you are still in emacs, so it will 
> continue to have voiceover off. 
> 
> > On Jan 6, 2024, at 23:31, T.V Raman <raman AT google.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I'd find a speech-server  tat turns off a screenreader with which it
> > has no relationship strange indeed; even if the Mac server does that
> > --- something I'd find surprizing --- I'd stil suggest thinking
> > through this carefully before apeing that behavior.
> > 
> > For instance, you can run the spech-server outside Emacspeak, e.g. to
> > test the speech-server stand-alone. The speech-servver turning off
> > other Assistive Tech in that situation would be surprizing   to the
> > user.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Robert Melton" (via emacspeak Mailing List) writes:
> >> Pitch shift should work on caps, I will confirm it.  
> >> 
> >> The automatically turning off, I will look at the mac server for how 
> >> they do that in python, I simply have my voiceover automatically turn 
> >> off for emacs, having it naturally turn off would be much better. 
> >> 
> >> The punctuation work perfect for me, read out dash dash.  
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 18:28, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Well, I installed successfully, a few questions./problems remain.
> >>> 
> >>> I was hoping for capitalization to be available, by pitch changes, am
> >>> I mistaken?  Also, voiceover is on in the emacspeak window -- isn't it
> >>> supposed to be off in that window only automatically?  I am pretty
> >>> sure it works that way with the default serverr.  I will also have to
> >>> see if I am doing something wrong with my punctuation settings,
> >>> when I was trying to reply to your email, I was not hearing any
> >>> dashes  in a line like the following:
> >>> --text follows this line--
> >>> 
> >>> Otherwise, seems pretty good, I am even getting sounds!!
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks for all yyour hard work.
> >>> 
> >>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 14:29:14 -0500,
> >>> Robert Melton wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> I meant to type restart, not resetr. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Also, you will have to set swiftmac as you dtk-program 
> >>>> 
> >>>> (setq dtk-program "swiftmac")
> >>>> 
> >>>> or however you set yours. 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 13:38, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> OK, thanks -- what do you mean by "reset emacs"?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 13:09:49 -0500,
> >>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> >>>>>> It is in the current emacspeak git version, so will go out with next 
> >>>>>> major release.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> If you don't want to wait, or want a more cutting edge version then 
> >>>>>> use:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> after you get it just "make install" to build and install from the 
> >>>>>> root directory, then reset emacs.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> README.md and some project aspects will undergo rapid change in the 
> >>>>>> next few days, as it now has shifted purpose a bit. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 12:52, John Covici <covici AT ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> So, where do I get this serverr exactly and what version of emacs 
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> emacspeak are required?  I do have xcode here, so is that what is
> >>>>>>> needed to compile this?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 10:59:43 -0500,
> >>>>>>> Robert Melton (via emacspeak Mailing List) wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> [1  <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> >>>>>>>> Hey swiftmac users! 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> I contributed swiftmac to emacspeak proper at the last possible 
> >>>>>>>> moment of 2023, because I wanted to do it last year. :) 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> That said, I heard your feedback and while T.V. has been awesome 
> >>>>>>>> enough to just accept my patches as long as as I stay to my 
> >>>>>>>> Swiftmac subtree (thanks again!)... I understand that you want to 
> >>>>>>>> continue using stable releases of Emacspeak!
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> So, I am tweaking my Swiftmac repo to be the cutting edge version, 
> >>>>>>>> and place to track bug reports.  When it hits nice stable points 
> >>>>>>>> or critical bug fixes I will be pushing those up to emacspeak. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Still puzzling out the best way to accomplish this, but for now I 
> >>>>>>>> will just make the changes to emacspeak by hand when the code gets 
> >>>>>>>> to a point I think it should be moved over. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Bugs still exist, report them at 
> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/robertmeta/swiftmac/issues
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> I will still be creating fat-binaries from time to time to support 
> >>>>>>>> the users who can not run swift to build the project.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Version 2, the rewrite using the newer mac audio subsystem will be 
> >>>>>>>> up around the end of the month under the v2 branch, but it is 
> >>>>>>>> likely not going to be easy to use day to day unless you want to 
> >>>>>>>> contribute and know swift.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for the support. 
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> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>      John Covici wb2una
> >>>>>>>      covici AT ccs.covici.com
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> >>>>>       John Covici wb2una
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> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
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> >>>        John Covici wb2una
> >>>        covici AT ccs.covici.com
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